Quote from: Marta on November 03, 2011, 07:46:28 PM
I know a vagina can tighten especially during sex but i never heard of it closing up, i hear it can tighten during menstruation too but again ive never heard of it closing. Also i dont think the body would actually do that since there would be no way for menstrual blood to come out.

i agree. it could've just been extra hymen tissue. some genetic females are born like that. some of them are even born with a layer of hymen completely covering the vaginal opening.

You know Maya I have read about skene's glands. Thanks for bringing them up. Yeah different placement, but similar function.

Somebody on an ftm board linked this and I found it a pretty neat springboard - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_homologues_of_the_human_reproductive_system

the simple fact that you lot need to get your heads round is that the GG did have a vagina that had sealed itself up as the inner labia had fused together.
believe it or not there are lots of women who perhpas due to childhood brainwashing dislike their vaginas for various reasons and apart from peeing out of them don't take much care of them especially after menopause.

believe it or not there are genuine TS who dislike their penisses to the extent of never touching them as they including me sit to pee and didn't play with their male bits because to a genuine TS the penis is the source of the dysphoria.

a sealed up vagina is just like a UFO - until you see one you don't believe they exist.

And there is also something like vaginal prolapse.

While the discussion is going on or a vagina of a trans girl is (almost) the same of a cis girl, I would bring something up.
I had a neighbor, a young lady who had a lot of troubles with her genitals.
There was a lot of adhesion near the ovaries and uturus, she had have several treatments but at the end of the day the docters had to remove the ovaries and uturus.
From that day she had to take hrt (premarin), she couldn't give birth and  she used sometimes a cream because her vagina wasn't that wet as it was before.

Did she have a real vagina?

I met her when I moved to this neighborhood and after some time she tells me her story and after some time I have told my story.
We were both married and the guys could get along very well together.
it were her words that we were in the same position of womanhood.

And now some people tell me that mine isn't real?
Well, my husband or I didn't have complains about it, we had a good sex life and he was tripple hetero.
These experiences are more worth to me than the words of people who read something and think they have expertise, just by reading, not one single experience as a woman in a heterosexual relationship.

As a nurse I have seen a lot of women who had trouble with their genitals, don't they have real vagina's? are they not real woman?
It's a fact, there can be so much wrong with female genitals that we do have a special doctor for it, they are calles gyneacologists.

There are people here who read a bit more and keeped their knowledge in a good shape.
But people who just say that a transgirl vagina is actually a penis are talking crap. Nothing but crap.

Felix -

That's a really interesting set of information!  I wonder why they would bother to change the name of the Skene's gland if pretty much every part has an analog like that...

Lilac -

Interesting.  I never knew that my having touched my penis meant I am not a genuine TS and that I have no dysphoria with that part of my body.  Great to know I can stop pretending to be upset about it and stop worrying about trying to save up money for GCS!

Quote from: annette on November 04, 2011, 01:38:55 PM
But people who just say that a transgirl vagina is actually a penis are talking crap. Nothing but crap.

It's a construction from the penis. Like if I take some legos and build an eiffel tower, then I take the same number of Legos on build a HOOTERS, then it's still the same amount of legos.

Leggo my eggo.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 04, 2011, 02:03:57 PM
It's a construction from the penis. Like if I take some legos and build an eiffel tower, then I take the same number of Legos on build a HOOTERS, then it's still the same amount of legos.

Leggo my eggo.

Mahsa i agree it is something created from a penis, that is something that ive come to terms with but at first couldn't cope with. And honestly i am better now that i accept that i will never have a natural vagina. Id love to have a real one complete with all the organs but i cant and comparing my man made one to a woman who has health problems doesn't make a difference to me i still realize that it's different and i can never comprehend what its like to have a real one and to be in a naturally female body. It hurts to feel that way, it hurts to forever take hormones, forever dilate and but id rather have a fake vagina than none and that's what helps me cope. Many TS's compare themselves to women with health issues but i realize that it doesnt do any good its still not the same thing.

Many TS's compare themselves to women with health issues but i realize that it doesnt do any good its still not the same thing.

I certainly consider myself a man with health issues. Lol, some crazy crazy health issues. Weird growths, missing body parts, whatever.

Elsa I'm sorry you feel like your vagina is fake. That must be hard to live with. I don't think your vagina is fake. My daughter had to have her nose, mouth, and sinuses worked on because they were too narrow and compressed for her to breathe properly. I don't think she has fake sinuses. I had to get my throat dilated after some nerve damage, but my throat isn't fake. My ankle has undergone extensive surgical repair, had to be rebroken twice, sawn through, and bolted together with plates and screws, and it's not as good as a normal ankle but it's not fake.

I'm not sure how much I believe in the idea of a "naturally female" or "naturally male" body. There are so many factors that make us female or male, and most of those factors are on a spectrum, not either/or. Also some of those factors are fluid, and can change as a person evolves (either physically or mentally).

Anyway, sorry to jump in like that. I'm not trying to berate you about your beliefs. Everybody has a right to conceptualize themselves the way they want to. I just wanted to say I see you as a natural woman.

Quote from: Elsa.G on November 04, 2011, 04:25:52 PM
Mahsa i agree it is something created from a penis, that is something that ive come to terms with but at first couldn't cope with. And honestly i am better now that i accept that i will never have a natural vagina. Id love to have a real one complete with all the organs but i cant and comparing my man made one to a woman who has health problems doesn't make a difference to me i still realize that it's different and i can never comprehend what its like to have a real one and to be in a naturally female body. It hurts to feel that way, it hurts to forever take hormones, forever dilate and but id rather have a fake vagina than none and that's what helps me cope. Many TS's compare themselves to women with health issues but i realize that it doesnt do any good its still not the same thing.

You had srs?

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 04, 2011, 02:03:57 PM
It's a construction from the penis. Like if I take some legos and build an eiffel tower, then I take the same number of Legos on build a HOOTERS, then it's still the same amount of legos.

Leggo my eggo.

Like I said before CRAP.
Talking that the vagina is technically a penis but on the otherhand saying I don't want srs because I love my penis so much.
Hey what that's it matter, it's all the same to you, so, why don't you, after all you're keeping your penis isn't it?

Well, Masha, as you can read I lived the life of a woman and I still do.
My sexpartners do like my anatomy bits, can you say the same? Apparently not, as I could read in your last tread, straight guys running away when you talk about your penis.
It's okay with me how you see yourself, really, be happy and do what you like, you have all my good wishes for that, but I have build on my life again as a woman, with a vagina and I don't have to live as a gay with a skirt.

Quote from: Felix on November 04, 2011, 04:42:46 PM
I'm not sure how much I believe in the idea of a "naturally female" or "naturally male" body. There are so many factors that make us female or male, and most of those factors are on a spectrum, not either/or. Also some of those factors are fluid, and can change as a person evolves (either physically or mentally).

I like your brain.

this website is seriously turning into a jerry springer episode with this srs vs non op zeal.

It's not the intention to insult the non ops, there are a lot of people who can't have srs due to personal circumstances or medical condition and I can feel their pain.
They do have my sympathy, no doubt about that.

But, self called women who are so proud on their penises and telling that the people who are cured.....yes cured, are technically men, well I think I have to answer to that, because that's insulting.
Insulting the people who had the guts to take the steps that were needed.
BTW, you didn't take my good advice to google embryology, did you?
Otherwise you should know better.
But, do what you want, call yourself a woman while in another tread your are talking about your six inch penis, I think in your world you are very feminine but society has quite a different look about it, don't you think?
Maybe you must stop dreaming and take a step into the real world.

BTW, I don't go to hell, I am a good girl.

A reminder of Rule 15.

15. Items under discussion shall be confined to the subject matter at hand, members shall avoid taking the other users posts personally, and/or posting anything that can reasonably be construed as a personal attack.

If fighting continues after this warning, I will lock topic!

Quote from: annette on November 04, 2011, 05:28:56 PM
But, do what you want, call yourself a woman while in another tread your are talking about your six inch penis, I think in your world you are very feminine but society has quite a different look about it, don't you think?
Maybe you must stop dreaming and take a step into the real world.

Not really. Damned if you do, damned if you don't... You're as much of a freak as I am by society's standards. You were still born with XY chromosomes... You still have male bone structure, etc... As if what is in the pants matters, it doesn't. Pre or post op....we're all considered freaks by some outsider standards or another.

You're still a ->-bleeped-<- doesn't matter which way you "cut" and change it. Therefore, what I choose to do with my body is none of your damn business.

You're also a homophobe...but we won't talk about that.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 04, 2011, 05:38:27 PM
You were still born with XY chromosomes... You still have male bone structure, etc... As if what is in the pants matters, it doesn't.

What's in the pants matters a whole lot more than what chromosomes you have. When was the last time you had your chromosomes checked, and when was the last time that you dropped your pants before somebody else?

Quote from: Joandelynn on November 04, 2011, 05:54:04 PM
What's in the pants matters a whole lot more than what chromosomes you have. When was the last time you had your chromosomes checked, and when was the last time that you dropped your pants before somebody else?

from my standpoint, i had my chromosomes checked once. how many times i dropped my pants for someone else, zero. i am a virgin.

Too bad you react this way. Too angry.
If possible i would choose a intelligent discussion.
Just talking as adults, you know.
But you keep on saying, that I am actually a man, so i would like to compare our lives.
Smiting, curshing and having a crap list with my name on it, is a bit childish and won't have any effect on giving my point of view.
Like I said, talking as adults, that shouldn't be too hard is it?

So relax a little, just think before you write, writing from emotions is never a good idea.
You'll see the conversation will go much better than.

Masha, do you have a new hobby.....smiting?

I will repeat because I think you didn't read well.

Smiting, curshing and having a crap list with my name on it, is a bit childish and won't have any effect on giving my point of view.

I hope I have made myself quite clear now