So, I won't be getting Testosterone any time soon for atleast two or more years due to the age restrictions in my country (UK)

And I wanted to see if I could get Hormone blockers, i'm still in my years of puberty and growing up and all, so you know, if I took them now it would stop any further feminization, Only thing is that my country and the doctors in it, to me atleast, seem to not understand anything.

I brought up the idea with my therapist (although not a gender therapist but she has had a bit of experience with transgendered people) although she says that the reason I wouldn't beable to get them is due to the required age for blockers being fifthteen...

Because apparently not giving hormone blockers untill that age will allow us to think more about if it's the right thing to do, even though the hormone blockers are harmless and were basically made to put everything on hold so we had more time to think about it, not to mention everything pretty much goes back to normal and jsut resumes where it left of if the child decides to not go through with it..

So why are they still "testing" it on children here in the UK? where in the US i've seen plenty of documentries and that of children that went on it from the age of twelve and got on T at fourteen, I doubt that the hormone blockers are a different type, I just don't get it.

They also bring up the fact that it can cause bone loss or something I think it's bone density, but I would only be taking it for like two years 'till i'm old enough for T, and I don't think that the whole bone density decrease or something would happen so much in that ammount of time that it'd effect my life so much that I can't do anything physical.

I'm mad that I have to wait years before even considering going on Testosterone, but they could atleast put me on blockers so my hips wont get any wider and my "moobs" won't get any bigger and also so the "monthlies" stop happening, then atleast I wouldn't have to deal with that trash, it seriously depresses me, everytime I look in the mirror I get a reminder of what my body is.

This doesn't help being a "child" or "teen" because apparently whatever I do is "just a phase"....

and that Apparently "i'm too young to make decisions like taking hormone blockers that wont negatively effect my body in any way or do any harm and it would probably only cause harm if i take it for more than 4 years or something which won't happen to me because in just two years i'd be old enough for Testosterone and then I can finally be happy about my self and not have to worry about hips so much or my voice or my face or anything and i'd finally be happy and from the off chance that I decide to stay and live as a girl (THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN EVER EVER EVER) I can just come of hormone blockers and everything will go back to normal no harm done." ಠ_ಠ

and like I said above about the one who went on blockers from the age of twelve - fourteen and then went on testosterone and everything was happy and nothing went wrong, why is it that all of a sudden, you come into the UK and BAM!!

"EVERYTHING.IS.MAGICALLY.DANGEROUS.AND.WILL.CAUSE.MAJOR.PROBLEMS.EVEN.THOUGH.IT.DOESN'T.WITH.OTHER.PEOPLE.AND.IT'S.ALSO.BEEN.PROVED.THAT.IT.WONT.HARM.YOU.IN.ANY.WAY.BUT.IT'S.STILL.DANGEROUS.BECAUSE.YOU'RE.IN.THE.UK"

and they refuse to give you these things.

So yeah. I'm pretty annoyed by this, i've been crying so much lately because of my body, the hips, the face, the chest, the constant binding THAT REALLY HURTS AND MAKES IT HARD TO BREATHE, the "monthlies", the "every single thing about my body" ect ect;

Would there be any way to convince doctors that giving me hormone blockers would be a good idea? I seriously want them, I don't mind waiting for T but they could atleast do something in the meantime...

Why must I be made to wait. and be forced to go through this hell. I'd actuarlly rather die, right now. But im too much of a coward to carry out a suicide or to even enflict any harm on myself, me and pain do not get along.

I'd speak out and try to tell them but im seriously lacking in confidence, It's like I can't tell them how I actuarlly feel and how much I really need this teatment
(blockers or T, prefurably T but blockers will do ('¬_¬) )
A few other therapists, or well I don't atuarlly know what they are, I just get made to go to the meetings and all it is is trying to get me to go back to school, which is NOT going to happen anytime soon I try to tell them this, but I lack the confidence and the Ability to speak out and stand up for myself, my mom sometimes has to step in because I won't beable to say anything, she tries to explain and trys to tell them also how I need the blockers or whatever and how I will not be going back to school anytime soon but nobody listens to her, they just ignore her and change the subject to something that isn't even important at the moment...

I don't know how to help myself, when they tell me that to help myself I need to stand up and speak out I just can't, no matter how hard I try, I attempt to but the words just stop coming out my mouth and my whole body freezes, Then they just think I didn't actuarlly have something to say and everything's fine so they carry on going on about stupid school and other un-important stuff.

Someone cheer me up? or give me advice on how to perswade doctors to give me or to consider blockers, everytime I bring it up, yet again they change the subject... or tell me how to gain more confidence..then again I don't think words actuarlly help, they're just words to me, they can seem incouraging or they can cheer someone up but they can't magically give you confidence or something...

I don't know what to do i'm just upset and depressed all the time. (Wow i've writen alot...)

hey man good luck with this stuff i will be getting on hormone blockers soon hopefully. im older then you and even doctors in the US only prescribe blockers during tanner stage 2 wich is in the beginning of puberty. i really dont think a 14 year old could have gotten on T. 16 year olds have a hard time getting on T in the US.

even though your transition is in a standstill. you should take pride in the fact that you know who you are and you wont have to spend your entire life trying to figure out who you are.

this isnt only in the UK but in general many places.
for the moment I have my strugles on making children/young people where I live to have more right because I myself when I where a teen where pretty much in you situation where people would refuse to give me any sort of threatment untull I turned 18, I only seen that as harmfull for my future life and I wish I never had to wait so long, I feel so much hate how it can be so clear after I had extreme depression and suicide attemt, how people still can sit and do nothing..

only advise I can give you so far is be strong and try,
if you got some GLBT suport then contact them for advise, they might be able to help you to go to the right people or find the right place, get the right information and such that you will need and that people around you will need to accept you.

Thanks guys  , Yeah, I will try to be strong..i've just written down on a piece of paper what i really want to say so i can just give it to them and i wont have to say it out loud lol 

I totally know what you are on about with the uk not letting kids take blockers dude. it ->-bleeped-<-in sucks  . It would really make me relieved if i knew that my body wouldnt get any more female! Im actually really stressed right now because i turned a teenager in june and i havent started my periods yet, my hips havent grown and my moobs are tiny. I mean that is awesome, but im really stressed about when it will happen, you know and im dreading the day my period starts  . These blockers could change kids lives yet the uk wont allow us to take them? It makes no frickin sense.

I have a question about blockers. Do they block all hormones or just the ones you don't want. Like, will your body still naturally produce testosterone?

Quote from: Aaron on November 05, 2011, 01:52:44 PM
I totally know what you are on about with the uk not letting kids take blockers dude. it ->-bleeped-<-in sucks  . It would really make me relieved if i knew that my body wouldnt get any more female! Im actually really stressed right now because i turned a teenager in june and i havent started my periods yet, my hips havent grown and my moobs are tiny. I mean that is awesome, but im really stressed about when it will happen, you know and im dreading the day my period starts  . These blockers could change kids lives yet the uk wont allow us to take them? It makes no frickin sense.

Are you in the UK? there is this thing that allow those who are not yet into their puberty or just recently started hormone blockers, although it is only just a "selected few" but it might be possible i read something online and it had a downloadable leaflet of if you'l lbeable to qualify for it but i can't remember where *HeadDesk*

see a doctor about it? , because it is possible for children pre-pubesent ~fail.spelling~  Explain to them how it would probably take away the need for top-surgery if the "moobs" are small enough, and so thats a whole load of money saved.

I have the PDF file about it if you'd like it then ~asdfghjkl.i.dont.know~ then i could send you it or something? along with the programe to read pdf files if your computer can't read it? even if you're not in the uk or anything it could help convince the therapists/doctors to consider it?

Quote from: Prince Larien on November 05, 2011, 02:04:12 PM
I have a question about blockers. Do they block all hormones or just the ones you don't want. Like, will your body still naturally produce testosterone?

Yeah I hear it just stops the natural hormones in the body, so for FTM's it'd be like a menopause and i hear you can loose bone density in it but im pretty sure that would take over 7 years for it to happen so much it physically effects someones life, plus if bone density loss was that bad then old ladies would have a real problem but they can still walk and some of them can run so you know, it's nothing to worry about.

Sorry for not replying in while dude and i have to be quick, but yeah i would love it if you could send me the file. How do you plan to send it to me?
This help is much appreciated
Answer back and cya later

my friend's transition was slowed down because he took hormones blockers before taking testosterone. i mean the effects of t took longer to work because his body was still wearing down the effects of the blockers.

also, my mum had to take hormone blockers and has had some very nasty side effects that she was never warned about from her doctor. I can't remember what she was telling me but one of the things was a possibility of her uterus or vagina (can't remember which) collapsing.

Quote from: xander on November 07, 2011, 11:22:39 AM
my friend's transition was slowed down because he took hormones blockers before taking testosterone. i mean the effects of t took longer to work because his body was still wearing down the effects of the blockers.

also, my mum had to take hormone blockers and has had some very nasty side effects that she was never warned about from her doctor. I can't remember what she was telling me but one of the things was a possibility of her uterus or vagina (can't remember which) collapsing.

here we get blockers prescribed when we start T, to lower the estrogen levels and make T kick in faster and menses cease.

my doc is saying that the less exposure to estrogen the better (even if youre post pubescent) also by blocking estrogen you have less negative side effects from HRT (mood swings, headaches, etc.) but you shouldnt stop blockers then start on T as that will mess up your hormone levels. so im agreeing with emil.

Quote from: Aaron on November 07, 2011, 10:49:01 AM
Sorry for not replying in while dude and i have to be quick, but yeah i would love it if you could send me the file. How do you plan to send it to me?
This help is much appreciated
Answer back and cya later

I can give you a link to the download of the online leaflet, it's a pdf file though --> http://www.mediafire.com/?310zq1gixw33uk0

(The UK gender clinic for under 18's (I think tavistock or something forgot the full name) sent me this in a email after I contacted them asking about blockers)

It pretty much just explains that they're actuarlly doing "testing" for it to see if it really is okay, because you know, english doctors are so damn stubborn, and yeah just explains it's avalible and all that, and like i said only a few get selected but it's still a good possibility.

It's a .pdf file so if you need the pdf reader then just google "SumatraPDF" it's free to download.

I hope it helps, in some way or another.

Quote from: anibioman on November 07, 2011, 05:21:34 PM
my doc is saying that the less exposure to estrogen the better (even if youre post pubescent) also by blocking estrogen you have less negative side effects from HRT (mood swings, headaches, etc.) but you shouldnt stop blockers then start on T as that will mess up your hormone levels. so im agreeing with emil.

Damn... so many different "facts" but which are real "facts"? Life just HAS to be complicated doesn't it? ಠ_ಠ *HeadDesk*

There are testosterone increasing and estrogen blocking supplements you can take. They don't require a prescription and could be relatively helpful if you can't get a hold of anything else. Also, certain foods can be estrogen blocking (or boosting) and testosterone boosting (or reducing).

Hey thx for that file man its really interesting! I am interested in it but the tavistock clinic is a fair journey away from where i live, which kinda sucks I but i dont thinkit would be a waste of a journey. Would it matter that i am not currently living as a boy, i made a topic about wanting to live as a boy, and have to live as a girl right now? Its not that my parents arent understanding they just fear for my safety.
But overall thx for taking the time to help another ftm out 

Quote from: Aaron on November 12, 2011, 01:33:19 PM
Hey thx for that file man its really interesting! I am interested in it but the tavistock clinic is a fair journey away from where i live, which kinda sucks I but i dont thinkit would be a waste of a journey. Would it matter that i am not currently living as a boy, i made a topic about wanting to live as a boy, and have to live as a girl right now? Its not that my parents arent understanding they just fear for my safety.
But overall thx for taking the time to help another ftm out 

I don't think it would matter if you're not dressing/presenting as male, loads of guys go there presenting as female at first because maybe they worry the'll be picked on or something, im sure it wouldn't be a problem if you explain you/andor/yourparents are just worried about safety and that.
Tavistock is a long way from where I live too but it definately wouldnt be a waste. Q_Q cannot. wait. to go. there. days are too long >:[ lol.
No problem dude, Good luck with it all o.o