We are lucky on that point though. Since we're not having a menopause, our face doesn't age as much.

Quote from: A on November 10, 2011, 04:25:12 PM
We are lucky on that point though. Since we're not having a menopause, our face doesn't age as much.

Ehm, yes, our faces age too....and actually faces of ALL people, whether female, male or post op MTF age in a masculinizing way.
The patterns  of wrinkling and sagging are the same, the fatloss in our faces, the thinning hair in post menopausal born women AND post op MTF too..the sagging and jowling are the same........etcetc.

And yes,  in post menopause GG's. genetic men AND  MTF's (non nose and earjob) the nose(tip) and ears age too.

Take a close look at the faces of eldery genetic men and genetic women (and MTF) and you'll see that they don't differ as much from each other as very young children.
Only the clothes, hairstyle etc are indicators of their sex. Not their facial features (anymore)

In our MTF case the (rapid) aging of our faces is slowed down because of HRT, where as GG's can age overnight during and after menopause but stil...no escape for us over the coming years.

Trust me, I've seen it close up in GG's, genetic men AND aging MTF's.

Oh well, if my feet could shrink and then grow back to the size they are now when I get older... that's not bad at all.

I do think that weight has a massive role to play concerning the growing of shoe sizes, though. It's happened to me before, even at my younger age... I'll be like 5 pounds overweight, which I am at about right now actually, and I notice that my shoes seem a bit "smaller". Lose that weight and it feels a little more spacey.

I was very skeptic when I heard about this shrinking feet possibility but now that it has been happening to me I am more open to the possibility. I can't claim any shrinkage of 2 sizes or similar but my feet have definitely become rather slender and a little bit shorter. May be a half size smaller but optically there is definitely a difference. I don't wear drastically different type of shoes either. My weight has not changed but my bodily shape changed a lot. So I think the same thing is happening to my feet.

I'm sorry to contradict you Dahlia, but menopause and andropause account for part of the aging of the face. I'm not saying we don't age; we're just saved from a part of it.

Jane's comment about shoes hit home.  I love shoes, that's the first thing I see.  I just bid on another pair on Ebay today.  I can't have enough pairs, because I keep seeing another pair that I want.  I'm running out of secret storage room in my basement; gonna have to reconfigure soon.
Regards,
Velece

I used to be a US size 10.5 women's, now I'm size 9. Got myself measured the other day at a shoe store. Also have shrunk in height. Used to be about 5'6.5" tall. Got measure at work the other day for a health fair. I'm now 5'5" bang on the nose.

A big thank you to everyone for your replies.

It's good to hear that many of you have experienced foot shrinkage, it's a shame no-one knows the reason it happens for some & not others though.

Regarding growing old, i've lived in a shell for my whole life & once the shell has been discarded i'm going to grow old disgracefully  so i'm not bothered about ageing

@mrkitty I sympathise with your shoe addiction, I don't know which is the most addictive part, buying them or trying on a new pair for the first time 

I also have had some strange shrinkage and my GP is confused! I was comfortable UK size 9, 27.5cm and now dropped to 7, 25.5. I also used to be 177cm and on a good day I'm 173 and bad 174cm I'm nowhere near my original height. My only thought is that particularly with the height issue, is that the soft tissue in between the vertebrae has shrunk, and that' where the loss has come from, as for feet no idea; it was a very pleasant surprise!

Quote from: RachelH on November 11, 2011, 03:50:22 PM
I also have had some strange shrinkage and my GP is confused! I was comfortable UK size 9, 27.5cm and now dropped to 7, 25.5. I also used to be 177cm and on a good day I'm 173 and bad 174cm I'm nowhere near my original height. My only thought is that particularly with the height issue, is that the soft tissue in between the vertebrae has shrunk, and that' where the loss has come from, as for feet no idea; it was a very pleasant surprise!

Ehm ever heard of osteoporosis? It made me shrink from 1.76.5cm to 1.74cm over a course of  almost 25 years of being on hormones.I've managed to put it on hold over the last 5 years, walking stairways as much as I can, using extra calcium, vit D etc.

I've never heard of shrinking feet while being on hormones, just like I've never heard of a shrinking brow ridge for instance. It seems more like wishful thinking to me ;-)

And if you're  really shrinking +/- 4cm's  in height in a relatively short time on hormones and your GP 'doesn't understand it'......then you'll need to find yourself a more educated GP.

Then there's the matter of perception: I was considered a short (very feminine) man pre transition. I was told so all the time.  Now I'm considered a tall (1.74cm, walking up straight) woman. I'm frequently told so.

BTW: I've neverd heard about a post menopause GG on HRT about her 'shrinking feet' too...height, yes, but due to osteoporis...

Quote from: A on November 10, 2011, 07:21:14 PM
I'm sorry to contradict you Dahlia, but menopause and andropause account for part of the aging of the face. I'm not saying we don't age; we're just saved from a part of it.

Correct.
One of the reasons why the skin in biological females age, is, among other causes, because the production of Estrogen decreases, which causes the soft-tissues in the body to become less and less elastic, which in its turn also makes the skin less resistent towards gravity that also is a factor in ageing.

And not only the skin, but other factors aswell. A Cardiologist that was working with Harry Benjamin and also had investigated several T-Patients, was quoted in Benjamin's book "The Transsexual Phenomena" as saying that;

Quoteit may be most interesting in future years to watch these patients who have received estrogen over a long period of time. Will they be less prone to develop coronary heart disease and other circulatory ailments that go with the process of aging? A well-known cardiologist, noted for his research in cholesterol metabolism, who had occasion to see a number of transsexuals under estrogen therapy, remarked jokingly, "These people will probably live forever."

What concerns shrinking feet in male to females, its old news and nothing weird at all. For, just as others have already explained earlier in the thread, it is not the skeletal tissue that shrinks but the soft-tissues, as the Chemical Castration that the HRT induces basically causes the soft-tissues to atrofy, while Testosterone instead causes it to do the opposite; To increase, which is also the reason why FTM-guys not seldomly report experiecing growing feet, as the skin and musclestissues in the feets grows.

Which reminds me, by the way, about the MTFTM-Detransitioner Josef Kirchner, that, after having de-transitioned back to living as a man again and starting Testosterone-injections, went up three shoe-sizes and went from a size 10 to a size 13, just from Testosterone.

Someone also wondered why not all T-persons experience a shrinkage, which is probably because they already had very non-masculated soft-tissues from the start.

Yes, your feet shrink, but the size change is just due to soft tissue in the feet shrinking from HRT... not the bones. You won't lose more than a size or two, and probably just because of the width.