I've heard a lot of women on this forum say that they are very sensate, and some even claim that they are more sensate than natal women.

Because of the disparity in the amount of nerve endings between natal women and men as well as the damage incurred from the surgery (I believe that it was McGinn who said that the glans has to be reduced to 10-20%.) that this outcome would be very unlikely.

If you consider yourself to be very sensate, how sensate were you before SRS? Does sensitivity before srs correlate to sensitivity afterwards? (I know orgasm capacity does.)
(<----- Not at all/hardly sensate and nervous.)

What would you consider to be the average amount of sensitivity in relation to natal women? Do you consider it to be common to fairly sensate? How often is the outcome of srs increased sensitivity in relation to natal women?

I'm SO sensitive/sensate IT HURTS, - still.
A bit like early male puberty 'hurt'.

Not sure if that answers your question - yet, never forget > 80% of sex is in the head... !

Some times you hot, some times you not, which has little to do with being more or less sensate.

BTW, a vagina bio or neo, is really not that sensate to start with, it's more all the other parts - plus a knowing lover :-)

Axelle

A bit more sensate than before the surgery. My surgeon claims that this is always the case with his patients.

It depends all on the mood where I am in.
I can't really compare before srs because I did hate using the male genitalia.
When I did it was more to please someone else.
I didn't like the role I had to play in bed.

When in the right mood, it can be very sensitive.
What you are asking now is to compare male sex vs female sex, sorry, that's impossible.
Males are very focussed on one part of the body, females are focussed on the whole body, the things who are said, tenderness.
It's so different, there is no way to compare.

+ 1

Axelle

The clitoris is about the size of a pea.  Now imagine the entire dorsal nerve bundle concentrated into that one little spot- it's not just the few nerves that went to that particular area pre-surgery, it's all of them.  Another thing is that I have pretty good feeling inside and outside too, but most sensitive in the clitoris.

Of course Annette is right that it's like comparing apples and oranges.  Sex is worlds better to me now, and I much prefer it to anything I might have experienced previously.  It's all academic really, after a while you just don't remember anything else.

* The clitoris is about the size of a pea. *

That's just the TIP of it  the glans clitoridis, equivalent to bulb of penis. As a matter of fact the clitoris is what one can feel below the skin when engorged, it's about 4cm long AND sensate! much more then a penis for sure --- plus plenty "corpus cavernosum clitoridis" going all the way inside and to the left and right side of the vulva (like a wish bone) about 14cm long all in all, as I recall.

Jolly good show, eh :-)
Axelle

I'm sensitive!  My surgeon was Dr. Leis and my surgery was in June 2011.  It is an awesome feeling for me having intercourse and better than when i was pre-op. I have a wide range of sensations and each time i play it's like what forrest gump said "Like a box of choclates......." Also, it is better mentally because I'm not trying to hide my private parts from my partner like i did for the two years when i was pre op.

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with my sensitivity but my doctor told me ,when i was pre-op, to make sure i use it to keep the nerve ending alive. I'm glad i listen to him.

Hugs,

I'm still only a bit over a couple of months since surgery and i'm only a little bit less sensate then pre-srs. I am not done healing as I have some numbness still and I'm discovering new sensations as I explore. I imagine that in about 6-8 months out I will hopefully be quite a bit more sensate than I am now. I can already have orgasms but not as often as pre-op, but that's related more to functionality I think. With most men you can get them hard with a few strokes any time, but a woman needs to feel in the mood to respond.

Quote from: Axélle on November 12, 2011, 08:12:09 AM
* The clitoris is about the size of a pea. *

That's just the TIP of it  the glans clitoridis, equivalent to bulb of penis. As a matter of fact the clitoris is what one can feel below the skin when engorged, it's about 4cm long AND sensate! much more then a penis for sure --- plus plenty "corpus cavernosum clitoridis" going all the way inside and to the left and right side of the vulva (like a wish bone) about 14cm long all in all, as I recall.

Jolly good show, eh :-)
Axelle

I know this structure is present in natal women, but I didn't know us trans girls got it too?

I was referring to the outward portion, but yeah there is some retained under the skin and it does become engorged when sexually stimulated.  You can feel it of course, but it isn't outwardly visible.  Even the outward bit resides behind its little hood normally unless you spread it open.

Quote from: FairyGirl on November 12, 2011, 05:25:10 PM
I was referring to the outward portion, but yeah there is some retained under the skin and it does become engorged when sexually stimulated.  You can feel it of course, but it isn't outwardly visible.  Even the outward bit resides behind its little hood normally unless you spread it open.

It may sound strange... but I think of clitorii (Is there even a plural form?) as shy little mouses who happen to be very cute.

* I know this structure is present in natal women, but I didn't know us trans girls got it too? *

Marvel of marvels of modern surgery technique... the answer to your question is: YES we do, - unless you wound up with the wrong surgeon. And as always YMMV

Axelle

Quote from: Axélle on November 13, 2011, 01:41:08 AM
* I know this structure is present in natal women, but I didn't know us trans girls got it too? *

Marvel of marvels of modern surgery technique... the answer to your question is: YES we do, - unless you wound up with the wrong surgeon. And as always YMMV

Axelle

Are there any surgeons who specifically practice/avoid this technique?

The call for being sensate like any gg+? is the top order for any SRS surgeon these days. In fact it has to be else he/she is OUT!
It is top THE priority, next to looking like the AFAB looks - which of course is variable, but still.

Some of the newbie-surgeons, and there are plenty of those in e.g. Thailand, sporting some 160 plus SRS surgeons... who can tell where they are on their learning curve?
Some might be the up-and-coming stars of GRS.

For that reason alone, less then ~ 10 surgeons are the most visited as far as I took note of.
I have seen some awful results from an under 50 ops in Toto team (SA), and then there are the 'professionals' (with > 1000 ops to their name) ... sometimes they not, but mostly they are pretty successful.

So, again... sensate SRS results is top priority as I understand it.

Axelle

Quote from: Axélle on November 13, 2011, 05:53:03 AM

So, again... sensate SRS results is top priority as I understand it.

Axelle

Good point. Are their any surgeons, or even patients, to whom this is not the most pressing concern?

Incidentally, are there any sports-league type rankings on surgeons? With how (understandably) crazy people get over this topic, I'm sure that at least someone, somewhere is keeping statistical tabs.

There are 'rankings' on this very site, I used them at the time to confirm my appointment with Dr. Sanguan in lieu of Dr. Chettawut - who got too expensive for me after I had my by-pass op.

Axelle

Quote from: Guantanamera on November 12, 2011, 05:31:24 PMclitorii (Is there even a plural form?)

Clitorides.

Quote from: Dàwkbua on November 13, 2011, 08:36:59 AM
Clitorides.

Heh, are you a Latin scholar?  It's good to hear people know their Latin plurals.

Quote from: Dàwkbua on November 13, 2011, 08:36:59 AM
Clitorides.

Someone here is educated