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why do people wanna kill us?

Started by xxUltraModLadyxx, October 14, 2011, 11:25:49 PM

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xxUltraModLadyxx

they would rather us repress our feelings. just because it's a rare phenomenon. i wanted to die alot when i was living as male. so, why do people wanna kill us? why can't they just quit their selfish, hateful ways and learn to accept it?
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Dana_H

I wish I knew. I've always been baffled by the idea of killing someone just for being different, yet it is such a common phenomenon now and all through history.  I think maybe some people are not well parented during youth and, although I hate to think it of anyone, maybe some people are just born broken.

I don't know. *hangs head sadly*
Call me Dana. Call me Cait. Call me Kat. Just don't call me late for dinner.
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ToriJo

There is evil in the world, unfortunately.  There is prejudice and bigotry in the world.  There are people who think they will be better off in life only if other people are worse off.

I don't understand WHY either, just that there are.

Fortunately there are good people too, who are individually worth hundreds of the other kinds of people when we find them.  Maybe not easy to find, but they are there too.
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Felix

Differences scare people. When people are scared they get mean.
everybody's house is haunted
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Ryno

If everyone is good, then who will be bad? Surely we'll find someone who is worse and someone who is better, even in a "perfect" world.

Those who hate us wish us to die, and in turn we wish they would change. Many of us might not say we -hate- those who hate us, but we sure do think ill of them and call them bigots. There are two sides here, both in the same situation. One thinks the other is wrong.

I would say it's fine for someone to think ill of us, so long as that thought doesn't harm us or anyone else, and likewise, it's fine for us to think ill of those who think ill of us, so long as we don't hurt them.

Now when someone -does- hurt another, a line is crossed and equal punishment should be paid. In the "justice" system, punishment never really equal, but there are other ways in which equal punishment will happen. In the event of a person killing a transsexual, that murderer may end up getting off with a few years instead of life. But both that person and the justice system would get a real wake-up call when people start fighting for their rights and changes are made. (We may not be there yet).

Just mah two cents.
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spacial

Quote from: FullMoon19 on October 14, 2011, 11:25:49 PM
they would rather us repress our feelings. just because it's a rare phenomenon. i wanted to die alot when i was living as male. so, why do people wanna kill us? why can't they just quit their selfish, hateful ways and learn to accept it?

With respect love, they would rather repress their own feelings.

Think about it? Why would two girls attack a transgender girl, in MacDonalds? They resent what that transgender girl might get that they can't.

Why would males attack a transgender woman? They resent what the transgender woman has had the confidence to do.

As evidence, most people don't attack transgender people.

Now, think about those that do in relation to the sort of attacking they do.

The physical attackers. These are the rarest. But the most troublesum. The achieve nothing in reality. They are motivated by a blind rage which dispells their common sense. These are not the actions of rational people, thse are expressions of loss of control. Loss of control brought about by emotions they are unable to deal with.

The rabble rousers. These people tend to cheer on and defend the physical attackers. But think about the consequences of their actions. They are seeking affirmation from the physical attackers. They are attempting to tell the physical attackers that their actions are justified and afterward, they, the rabble rouser, will pay them attention. This group has nothing against transgender themselves, they seek people who do. Those idiots in MacDonalds who cheered on those two girls physically attacking the transgender woman, I strongly believe, where hoping they might get lucky as a result. The sort of hope to get lucky that a school boy, stairing at some sexy woman might have.

The beraters. These are the people to will make uninvited comments, generally, quite agressive. They rarely make direct threats themselves. They warn, quite agressively, that others might attack. Some parents and other family members are like this. But many others, unrelated, also. These people are motivated by fear. Fear of what will happen to us. Fear of the consequences that that might have upon them.

Just some thoughts on this important matter.
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sonopoly

I think it has more to do with their own insecurities than it has to do with you.  Maybe they can't stand that they are attracted to a transgendered person.  Same goes for those who try to hurt or kill gay people.  Please be safe, my friends.
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Akashiya Moka

~Because they think we're hot, luv. Really, their level of crazy insecurity and repression would be kinda funny if it didn't result in so much death.
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Sailor_Saturn

My observation has been that people who actively work against the transsexual community do so for a variety of reasons. There is no one trigger. But they do seem to have a common root: they're influenced by cultural puppet masters.

Many people oppose the advancement of LGBT rights out of political convenience or for personal gain. These are your Fascists, your Moral Majority lobbyists/politicians, and what have you. It's not necessarily that they actually hate you, it's just that hating you is SO. DAMN. PROFITABLE. And it makes you SO. DAMN. POWERFUL. Why is it profitable, and how does it make you powerful? That's simple, and you need only read spacial's post to understand. The people that support these political figures are what spacial called "Rabble Rousers". They're disinterested sideliners who, with a minimal amount of prompting and the promise of a pat on the head, will gladly oppose anyone you ask them to and believe anything you want them to while they do it so they don't have to feel badly afterward. Anything to justify supporting the cause will do, and if your justification fosters a sense of community among the masses then all the better. Purifying the race, protecting nature's design, enforcing God's will, whatever the ignorant masses need to be told to stand in line and do as they're told (i.e. oppress the scapegoat).

Particularly well programmed drones will even engage in acts of violence against the target, though they may do so without prompting from their masters. In the latter case, the masters simply pretend they've nothing to do with the incident and dissociate themselves from the situation as much as possible (this is your teary-eyed Glenn Beck expressing shock and awe that people would cut Congressmens' gas lines despite his militant rhetoric against said Congressmen). If this isn't possible, they begin to play the "blame the victim" game and declare that violence wouldn't have occurred had the victim not offended "common moral decency" (this is Pat Robertson declaring that LGBT victims of hate crimes are simply reaping what they sow, and that the violence was just the Lord showing them that they're evil). The part where this all begins to fall to ->-bleeped-<- and moves from disgusting injustice to horrific catastrophe is when a very well programmed drone seizes a leadership position. This causes the base to become extremely radicalized, and militarism against the scapegoats often follows. With adequate support, these drones can become nothing short of a world crisis and often have to be put down violently. For examples, look to Al Qaeda or the really,really bad day that Germans had on Jan. 30, 1933. Of course, in such a case people don't follow the leader out of blind loyalty anymore, they mostly follow the son of a bitch out of fear for their lives. It's a bitch when the monster they helped create bites THEM, eh?

The reason that LGBT people are common targets for this sort of thing is because we exist in small enough numbers that we can be easily set off in the "them" category in the game of "us and them". The smaller the minority, the easier the target because that target is less able to defend itself.

At least, that's what I make out of people targeting trans-people. Briefly summarized: We're easy political targets, and there's a LOT of power and money to be gained by victimizing us. When people seize that opportunity, the culture has a speaker against us. If that speaker yells loudly enough and in the right way, people will follow them. People that follow them will occasionally be so blindly loyal to their cause that they will act violently. If these violent people come to leadership positions and manage to retain followers (usually the militant elements of the movement), the ->-bleeped-<- hits the fan.
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RhinoP

I'll just start with a story of a friend I knew who was the most popular boy in the entire town, never had one bully, had had a billion girlfriends and even more sexual encounters, was raised as a modern christian (the "not really super serious about it, God's cool but I mainly go to church cuz my city church is big as crap and there's so many people there!"), and was never abused by his parents, was never raped by anyone, was extremely attractive, and has never had to undergo multiple extensive surgeries and treatments to live - all unlike me. However, the strangest thing was that, despite being given all these blessings, this boy was the absolute nicest person in the entire town. Incredibly nice to everyone he meets, and ends up, he told me he had been open minded enough where he had done stuff with other guys in the past. It entirely convinced me that hate comes from trauma and pain, that a person who's lucky enough to be born with all blessings in life tend to be pretty nice and very non-judgemental.
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OrderOfOriah

Because homophobes view us as traps.  They see a sexy woman, but if they learn that that woman used to be a man they feel homosexual and feel threatened, and vise versa.  There are other reasons too, but I'm pretty sure this is a major one
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The Passage

"Magic is just science we don't understand yet." - Arthur C. Clarke
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~RoadToTrista~

No matter who you are, someone in the world wants to kill you. :3
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Forever21Chic

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annette

I just live my life, nobody wants to kill me.........I hope.
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Venus-Castina

It is hardwired in our brain by tens of thousands of years of natural selection. Mankind in general has a natural fear for what is unknow. Many of us rather follow the beaten track than venture out to find new, unexplored ways. This resentment of anything that is different or not well understood is what I believe drives the hate towards people like us.
It is remarkable that people who are open and accepting towards transgenders are often also open to new ways and possibilities while those who hate us are often bound by ancient tradition and culture.
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Jen61

Humans hate in others, what they hate in themselves !

Jen61
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El

Now it might be because im very carefull (and a non-drinker) but i very rarely come across open oposition to what im doing. Ive had people from my past react with confusion ranging from "mild" to "other person jsut walking away" but actual verbal or physical acts of agression have been very rare. I had some snide comments when i went clubbing once but considering when that happened i was on my own and the person who commented was in a group of 5 guys all bigger than me it could have gone a lot worse. Also on my walk to my old work i often had people shout things from cars but that was a dodgy area so again it could have been much worse.

On the whole the majority of people who i have spoke to about it have been more than accomadating of my decision to transition. Even if they do not understand why i am doing it they usually do appreciate how hard it must be to put yourself in the firing line for the minority who want to make our lives a misery. Ive been full time for 19 months now and im pre HRT still, i put my success in avoiding trouble to the facts that a) as long as i dont open my mouth and have time to do hair and makeup in the morning im reasonably passable, b) I dont often go anywhere alone and i dont walk when i think it owuld be safer to drive. and most importantly c) I NEVER go anywhere where i know they will be lots of drunk people in a situation where safe-gaurds are inplace. YMMV
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Felix

Quotea) as long as i dont open my mouth and have time to do hair and makeup in the morning im reasonably passable, b) I dont often go anywhere alone and i dont walk when i think it owuld be safer to drive. and most importantly c) I NEVER go anywhere where i know they will be lots of drunk people in a situation where safe-gaurds are inplace. YMMV

Mileage definitely varies. Lol  a) I can't just not open my mouth b) I'm not usually alone but escorting around a little kid sometimes makes people feel more willing to say intrusive things to me, and I don't have a car. and c) I live above 3 bars and down the street from about 25 others, so there are drunks floating around sometimes (yuppie drunks, but still). And I'd much rather be here (with tons of witnesses, streetlights, security, etc) than anywhere I could go to get away from that particular population.

Not knocking those tactics, of course. The ways I get by probably wouldn't work for you either. :)
everybody's house is haunted
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Chloe

Quote from: FullMoon19 on October 14, 2011, 11:25:49 PMi wanted to die alot when i was living as male. so, why do people wanna kill us?

Just remember - it's not the just plain 'ole IGNORANT ONES that you have to fear so much as it is the SELF-RIGHTEOUS, WELL-HEELED & POWERFUL BIGOTED ONES that think they know it all and view YOU as a personal THREAT to the very narrow, self-centered and controlling world in which they view themselves as "absolute and final arbirtrator of all that is" KING.

In other words they want to SQUASH you for FEAR their own hatred may be subject to any doubt. That and lol GOD FORBID they mistakenly find themselves, due to your "deception", accidentally actually LIKING YOU? (the parable of "Braid")

A General Rule "kill all trans" (and such) is so much simplier and easier that having to decide who's "worthy or not".

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