Quote from: mandyh92 on November 10, 2011, 04:43:35 PM

his exact words "What made you assusme we saw people like you". . And as my religious beliefs will not allow me to help you do this. So i cannot have you as a patient on moral objections." ---now i was starting to cry and asked "I need help dont you an oath to do NO harm. I am worried about DVT and

Bet he is a tea partyer too. i'd rathar drive the 4 hours - sorry it happened to you. 

The US is less like one unified country, and more like a collection of 50 countries that happen to be loosely overseen by a single organization. States have different laws, and what's completely legal and accepted in one state, may be completely illegal and punishable by imprisonment in the next. In 30+ states, employers have the right to fire you for being transgender, for instance.

I'm not surprised this happened in Indiana. There's a reason a lot of us move to areas where we are more accepted.

I always call and ask if there's going to be an issue beforehand. In the Chicago area where I live, for the most part I've never had any problems.

Quote from: BillieTex on November 12, 2011, 01:05:21 PM
Bet he is a tea partyer too. i'd rathar drive the 4 hours - sorry it happened to you. 

I'm a tea partier. People's identity or sexual preferences don't effect my hatred of big government. I was a REPUBLICAN voting gay male since high school and like the gayest male of all.

Yeah I've dealt with indivduals like this before doctors like this too.

The contigious fact between all of them between Mandys story and my own experiences is that the pepole in them were all christian. With deeply held "religious convictions"

Some Christians are just scum.
And you will have a hard time convincing me otherwise.

Quote from: pebbles on November 12, 2011, 02:15:39 PM
Yeah I've dealt with indivduals like this before doctors like this too.

The contigious fact between all of them between Mandys story and my own experiences is that the pepole in them were all christian. With deeply held "religious convictions"

Christians are just scum.
And you will have a hard time convincing me otherwise.

Sorry they don't believe want you want to here. But honestly, we have Christians on this board. Please take that into consideration before you call them "scum", k? Good.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 12, 2011, 02:30:11 PM
Sorry they don't believe want you want to here. But honestly, we have Christians on this board. Please take that into consideration before you call them "scum", k? Good.

My prejudices and attitudes are formed from first hand experience and my desire to survive.
I can't and won't make any apology for them.

Quote from: pebbles on November 12, 2011, 04:42:08 PM

My prejudices and attitudes are formed from first hand experience and my desire to survive.
I can't and won't make any apology for them.

Yeah, well there are people here who are Christian and aren't scum. Ever think you might have offended them?

First of all, I'm a tea party-er too. Not all tea party-ers are racist redneck xenophobic blah blah blahs. Many just don't care for government sticking their noses in the publics business and telling us what to do. That means not telling churches they HAVE to marry gay couples, or telling endocrinologists they HAVE to treat TSuals. That's part of liberty, hon.. the door swings both ways.

This doesn't make this doctors actions justifyable to me. That was an unprofessional way to go about it.

Before I get flamed, I don't agree with the doctor whatsoever and think he's a crappy doctor for not wanting to learn all aspects of his JOB. In endocrinology, it is essential to learn hormonal effects on the body, and I'd think any endo would want to see the effects of cross sex hormones come into play and study them. Beyond that, he is a terrible human being for being so narrow minded and to let someone walk out the door, endangering themselves to self medication. Oh, and I'm for the state recognizing gay marriages too, just not for the state forcing private instutions to marry any couple that walks thru the door.

Furthermore, if ANYBODY is in immediate medical peril (such as trauma or heart failure), an ER attending is required to treat them no matter what. However, this is not a dire medical emergency, sorry!

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on November 12, 2011, 05:19:25 PM
First of all, I'm a tea party-er too. Not all tea party-ers are racist redneck xenophobic blah blah blahs. Many just don't care for government sticking their noses in the publics business and telling us what to do. That means not telling churches they HAVE to marry gay couples, or telling endocrinologists they HAVE to treat TSuals. That's part of liberty, hon.. the door swings both ways.

This doesn't make this doctors actions justifyable to me. That was an unprofessional way to go about it.


Furthermore, if ANYBODY is in immediate medical peril (such as trauma or heart failure), an ER attending is required to treat them no matter what. However, this is not a dire medical emergency, sorry!

+1

wow, this is shocking. I feel nothing but sympathy here. What I don't get is that how someone claiming to be Christian would refuse to help someone on 'moral' grounds. I am an Atheist but I respect the message of the figure of Christ (be it truth or fiction) as unlimited love, compassion and tolerance are beautiful things to aspire to. How can anyone that follows the teachings of this individual, and be so devoted to them, really miss the point in such a huge way?

Aren't these things supposed to be challenges to us? Obstacles to overcome in order to be true to ourselves? Shouldn't the followers of Christ aspire to be like him? At least here in the UK if a doctor refused to treat you on moral grounds the NHS would most likely have them struck off.

Love to Mandy, I hope you get things sorted sweetie

Tams

XXXX

I want to back away slowly from this discussion, but before I go I want to say very emphatically that no matter what our feelings, we can't be calling each other scum. There are folks who call all of us that, and that hurts enough.

  Did somebody say tea party!?!     


  Doctors need to be properly educated on transsexual's. Most don't even take us seriously. 

Quote from: Rukia87xo on November 12, 2011, 08:55:44 PM

  Did somebody say tea party!?!     


  Doctors need to be properly educated on transsexual's. Most don't even take us seriously. 

They took me seriously when I had my butt cheeks on the exam table. Actually the doctor was a hot azn guy and I didn't want him touching me...cuz I would have gotten turned on.

That being said, it doesn't matter someones gender...someone shouldn't be denied care.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 12, 2011, 08:58:33 PM
That being said, it doesn't matter someones gender...someone shouldn't be denied care.

  Unfortunately that's the world we live in. Being disrespected by someone that is supposed to be a medical professional is sad.

Quote from: Cindy James on November 11, 2011, 03:45:38 AM
Oh wow,

The USA is really that primitive?

The only thing that separates us from 3rd world countries are parachute food drops and the inordinate amount of plastic crap we have from China.

Quote from: Guantanamera on November 12, 2011, 11:45:06 PM
The only thing that separates us from 3rd world countries are parachute food drops and the inordinate amount of plastic crap we have from China.

I own too much plastic crap.

Ever go on any collector board? These men have entire houses filled with that stuff. No wonder they are pathetic.

 

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Cindy James

Quote from: Felix on November 12, 2011, 08:49:13 PM
I want to back away slowly from this discussion, but before I go I want to say very emphatically that no matter what our feelings, we can't be calling each other scum. There are folks who call all of us that, and that hurts enough.

+1

The voice of reason penetrating the deepest of psyches.

In all seriousness, all civilized nations regards rights in a positive rather than a negative sense.
In Europe for example, people have the right to access to healthcare that is effective and meaningful to them. Thus, depriving people of their access due to 'moral convictions' is a crime in and of itself. Namely, just because you have deeply help convictions or whatever else doesn't give you the right to adjudicate your duty and in so doing directly deprive the rights of an individual.

For those conservatives on the board, I'd just like to repeat what Dan Savage has to say about the GOP:

"They just want to shrink the size the of government so that they can cram it in up your twat!"

Be careful voting for people who show an obvious disdain for civil rights, especially when you're in their crosshairs.

Quote from: Guantanamera on November 13, 2011, 12:25:12 AM
For those conservatives on the board, I'd just like to repeat what Dan Savage has to say about the GOP:

"They just want to shrink the size the of government so that they can cram it in up your twat!"

Be careful voting for people who show an obvious disdain for civil rights, especially when you're in their crosshairs.

I'm libertarian, but I'd like to say I would hate to be the doctor being told by government how to treat or run my business. It sucks that we have jerks like that out there, but at the same time I'm happy I live in a free country.

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on November 13, 2011, 01:41:51 AM
I'm libertarian, but I'd like to say I would hate to be the doctor being told by government how to treat or run my business. It sucks that we have jerks like that out there, but at the same time I'm happy I live in a free country.

As a consumer I find it horrifying that the government wouldn't set standards of care and health outcomes. There are no do-overs in a lot of medicine. What would your response to doctors performing experimental procedures or less effective procedures for the their own financial benefit? (aka ties to pharmacuetical companies.) Further, what would happen if the government didn't provide a means for people to redress their grievances when these instances eventually occur?

What would you consider the government do, if anything, if you live a hillbilly city where all the doctors/stores/bankers won't give you access because of their 'moral convictions?' Would you allow that person to starve because of the ignorant actions of others?

The fact of the matter is that for health care to be effective, the government must intercede because consumers are not experts and can't decide for themselves what the best course of treatment is. And that because doctors enjoy a special relationship with their patients that other merchants don't- which in combination makes it very deadly for consumers. (If you don't believe me, check out the patent medicines from the early 20th century. Doctors were prescribing cocaine, herione and opium to young children.)

It might astonish you to know that European democracies are more 'free' by any measure of the word:

Those societies ensure the right the economic justice and oppurtunity- thus their society is much less class bound. Everyone has a shot at becoming wealthy.
They ensure the right to aforable healthcare- thus people in their society live longer.
They ensure the right to a clean enviroment and healthy food- thus people are are more happy and healthy.
They ensure the right to an education at whatever level you can achieve- thus people enjoy all the benefits associated with education while the society benefiets from more skilled workers and innovation.

In any way that you analyze the proposition, positive rights not only ensure that people are more free to pursue 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' but they create a much better society than the one we live in.