Quote from: Nygeel on November 12, 2011, 09:06:33 AM
This whole idea is really complicated for me to explain. When we're born doctors label us one way or the other based mostly by looks. It's not consensual, just as people saying that trans men are all really women are going the same. You should be the one defining your body.

On top of all that...if trans men are considered female, and having female parts then when are we male enough?

Pretty much everything that happens to you as a baby is non consensual. You don't even consent to your conception, but we're all stuck here any way.  We may not like the card we were delt, but that doesn't change it. The people that say trans men are really women don't understand the difference between gender identity and physical gender. As much as i would love for it to be true, self definition will never physically change me. The reality I face is that I was assigned female at birth but unknown to everyone, was born with a male brain. The physical state of your parts doesn't determine your gender identity. When you feel male enough physically is a personal thing. I just don't get why it's becoming a PC thing to ignore the reality of our struggle. I also don't get why in a trans friendly environment you should be expected to deny what makes you trans in the first place.

well, I am sorry for the poeple that felt offended. It was not my intention. I know FTM are male, because the brain is what really matters in terms of defining people's identity, but our body is female, as sharky says, so I didn't see why people would feel offended. Anyway, I will try to be more careful chosing my expressions knowing some people don't like to hear that their body is female. I think that is respectable too.
Thank you very much everyone for your interesting unswers.

Quote from: Bradd on November 12, 2011, 08:39:51 AM
I used to hate it with a burning passion that paralleled the fire of a thousand suns.

Then I started using home made STPs, packing, and other methods of masturbation. Now it only bothers me when I'm on that special time of month, or when I'm in the shower.

I still don't know what STPs are. I have heard that word a few times so I guess it's somegthing pretty basic.... What are they? What do you mean with "another methods of masturbation". What methods are they?

Quote from: beyondlabels on November 12, 2011, 11:24:12 AM
well, I am sorry for the poeple that felt offended. It was not my intention. I know FTM are male, because the brain is what really matters in terms of defining people's identity, but our body is female, as sharky says, so I didn't see why people would feel offended. Anyway, I will try to be more careful chosing my expressions knowing some people don't like to hear that their body is female. I think that is respectable too.
Thank you very much everyone for your interesting unswers.
I still don't know what STPs are. I have heard that word a few times so I guess it's somegthing pretty basic.... What are they? What do you mean with "another methods of masturbation". What methods are they?

Are you FTM? If so, because you seem pretty isolated or uninformed, how old are you? I can link you to http://www.ftmguide.org/ which should provide you with pretty much all the answers you need though. :3

Quote from: beyondlabels on November 12, 2011, 11:24:12 AM
I still don't know what STPs are. I have heard that word a few times so I guess it's somegthing pretty basic.... What are they? What do you mean with "another methods of masturbation". What methods are they?

Well, STPs are devices that allow you to Stand To Pee (hence the acronym). Things like the peecock, the go girl or homemade ones. As for masturbation, there are some older threads touching on the subject. This place is a wealth of knowledge, and if you look at some older things you will find what you need to know sooner or later. There's also a lot of online resources to clue you in on this stuff.

Quote from: beyondlabels on November 12, 2011, 03:57:05 AM
Why is it inflamatory? I just want to know.  I don't think it can be any confusion in translating that title into spanish or english. It just means what it means.

Oh, right. I'm sorry for cussing there. I answered very knee-jerkily, didn't I?

Using "all," "hate," and "female" in such a short sentence when asking transgender people about genitalia is a little clumsy. What I said about spanish was not that I thought you lost anything in translation, but I know that back when I could speak spanish a little, I often said things that were kinda crazy blunt or oddly put without meaning to.

I am personally touchy about my feelings toward my genitalia, and I feel robbed but still try to love what I do have. I don't like the implication that disliking our wrong parts is somehow necessary for all transgender people.

I feel my genitalia is female and I don't care that it's there. At all. I don't use it for anything but to piss and the only time I'm irritated is when it's bloody but otherwise, by now, I can't say I care and it doesn't bother me, nor do I dislike it.

I honestly hate my curves, chest and high pitched voice much more than my lower areas. I would rather I didn't have what I do, but like a few others have said, life is short and I can't spend my whole life without ever taking my underwear off. The only time I really, really hate it is when Aunt Flow comes into town, or when I have to take antibiotics and I get infections. Other than that, I try to just enjoy life.

as I said in another thread,
I dont hate my V-Jay,
I just hate how my gender are to be decided by that.

I dont really have much dysphobic of it, its only when I am nervous on how other will react, but if people have no problem
and I have no problem, then theres no problem.

I wouldn't say I hate it so much. Just that I desperately wish for it to be something else. And I'm extremely uncomfortable with it every time I try and look at it.

Quote from: Kvall on November 12, 2011, 05:16:21 PM
Referring to the bolded part: And some of us are already there, obviously, so what's the point of the rest of your post? You kind of blew up your whole argument there. It's perfectly fine for you to see your body as female, but realize that is you gendering your own body; we are doing the exact same self-authoritative act of gendering our own bodies, and we simply are coming to different conclusions about them than you.

Nobody is saying, "I'm male, therefore my parts are exactly the same as cis male parts." Folks are saying that their parts, exactly as-is, are also male even though they are different from cis men's. That is the matter of self-definition at hand, not believing that saying "I have testicles now" somehow magically makes it so. We're not stupid.

It's not a matter of being too politically correct (that phrase, by the way, is completely pointless except to use to whine about other people's realities that don't make sense to you because you're too lazy or close-minded to think much about it) but of recognizing that it's possible for bodies, not just brains, to be gendered differently from birth assignment.
Ya'll really should get a sense of nuance. Someone can see their body as male but still be uncomfortable with their set up and wish they had a cis man's body. Someone can identify as trans because they have a male identity but not hate their genitalia even while seeing it as female. Hatred of one's genitalia is hardly what "makes you trans in the first place." It's a factor for some, but it is not exhaustive.

You articulated this better than I could have ever hoped to. 

I hate my lower parts. I hate it as much as I hate my chest.

Quote from: Kvall on November 12, 2011, 05:16:21 PM
Referring to the bolded part: And some of us are already there, obviously, so what's the point of the rest of your post? You kind of blew up your whole argument there. It's perfectly fine for you to see your body as female, but realize that is you gendering your own body; we are doing the exact same self-authoritative act of gendering our own bodies, and we simply are coming to different conclusions about them than you.

Nobody is saying, "I'm male, therefore my parts are exactly the same as cis male parts." Folks are saying that their parts, exactly as-is, are also male even though they are different from cis men's. That is the matter of self-definition at hand, not believing that saying "I have testicles now" somehow magically makes it so. We're not stupid.

It's not a matter of being too politically correct (that phrase, by the way, is completely pointless except to use to whine about other people's realities that don't make sense to you because you're too lazy or close-minded to think much about it) but of recognizing that it's possible for bodies, not just brains, to be gendered differently from birth assignment.
Ya'll really should get a sense of nuance. Someone can see their body as male but still be uncomfortable with their set up and wish they had a cis man's body. Someone can identify as trans because they have a male identity but not hate their genitalia even while seeing it as female. Hatred of one's genitalia is hardly what "makes you trans in the first place." It's a factor for some, but it is not exhaustive.

How does that blow it up? That sentence was in response to where Nygeel said "when are we male enough" I was saying there isn't a definite point since everyone has different surgeries. I wouldn't say that a guy with a phallo has a more male body then a guy with a meta. I also wouldn't say that a guy who is non op is less of a man. Feeling comfortable in a male identity with whatever parts you have/have left that are physically female is a personal thing. It's not me gendering my body, it's how the sex determination system for humans work. Chromosomes determine if the baby is going to develop a male or female body and their gender identity doesn't change the outcome of this. My body may belong to a male so it is a male's body, but it is physically female at this point in time and only male by association to my gender identity. I know nobody is saying that. I think the whole politically correct thing can go too far sometimes. Like lowering the standards of fitness for fire fighters so women can become one easier. I don't see how it's possible and I don't think I'm close minded.

QuoteSomeone can see their body as male but still be uncomfortable with their set up and wish they had a cis man's body

This is probably how I will feel no matter what surgery I have.

QuoteSomeone can identify as trans because they have a male identity but not hate their genitalia even while seeing it as female.

I understand that.

QuoteHatred of one's genitalia is hardly what "makes you trans in the first place." It's a factor for some, but it is not exhaustive.

I agree. I am not trans because I hate my junk. I am trans because I have a female body and a male brain.

Quote from: Caseyy on November 12, 2011, 06:26:24 PM
I just ignore it. I've never used "the hole" and I have no plans to. I'd prefer it to be gone, but it's a relatively invisible organ. I imagine MTFs (generally speaking) have greater issues with their genitals because they're external and very present.

I'm now wondering if that's why Scarlett posted that other thread..

But anyway.. I don't generally have much dysphoria in that area. It's just a useless cavern to me, did nothing pleasure-wise when it did get used, in fact it was pretty uncomfortable.. and then I wonder why I went along with it anyway and end up wishing it'd just get sealed already XP

My bigger problem isn't with the hole so much, though - it's the surrounding bits. I don't mind sitting to pee usually, but when on a night out and hoping the stalls are a) not all occupied, and b) have a lock on the door, or just *a door* would be nice, then yeah, it becomes a real problem. Haven't had much luck in the STP area either, have just bought a Urinall so we'll see how that goes.

I'm sort of ambivalent to my junk. I have a hard time touching myself unless I really try hard to pretend it's a dick, or I'm finger ->-bleeped-<-ing a girl. But thankfully my meds keep my sex drive low enough for my dysphoria not to bother me.

I see my clit as a small dick and my labia as a scrotum. And personally, I have no issue referring to the medical terminology of human anatomy. I don't see an issue with saying "female genitals" because there is really no other easy way to describe the subject without dancing round a bunch of terms that not everyone will get right away. Everything anyone says or does is going to offend someone else.

I agree with the perspective that as a male, my body is inherently male.  However, I regard myself as having a serious birth defect.  As for what makes me trans, I don't have any control over what the medical community and society have labeled my condition.  I'm a man with a birth defect that medicine likes to call transsexualism.  But for the record, I do hate my "wonky bits" and will be having bottom surgery.

Quote from: Z7Z on November 12, 2011, 03:33:24 AM
I don't consider it to be female... Just because it isn't the same as what cis-guys have doesn't make it any less male. I'm a guy, so that means my entire body is male, regardless of whether I'm pre-op, post-op, or non-op. 

I don't hate it, and couldn't care less about what kind of junk I have. I never pack because I just don't feel the need to. I don't plan on getting that surgery done, and probably wouldn't even if it was 100% guaranteed to end up exactly like a cis-guy's, with no complications or whatever.

+ 9,001

Why can't this sort of awesome happen in the trans women section?

Quote from: Kreuzfidel on November 12, 2011, 08:22:01 PM
I agree with the perspective that as a male, my body is inherently male.  However, I regard myself as having a serious birth defect.  As for what makes me trans, I don't have any control over what the medical community and society have labeled my condition.  I'm a man with a birth defect that medicine likes to call transsexualism.  But for the record, I do hate my "wonky bits" and will be having bottom surgery.

This is close to how I feel.

I could care less how people label me, because I can't control that.

However, like any other person I want to correct my birth defect as soon as possible.

Speaking some realism never seems to fails getting smited over here.

Must have been running low on those, - venturing over here.

So someone found "the shoe did fit", um.

Enjoy what ever,
Axelle

Hmm. Since we seem to be edging into scandal and drama, I'll just say that I love genitalia. Mine kinda suck because they give the wrong impression, but they suck less when people suck on them. We have what we have, right?

"Hate" is a strong word. I'm kind of grossed out by it (I'm gay. I shouldn't ever have to touch one of those things.) But I don't hate it...I can get off, and it provides a really easy convenient way to get my boyfriend off too, and it's just generally fairly harmless. I had a

If it weren't slimy, I'd be totally OK with the hole part, and my only problem with my dick is that it isn't bigger.