I don't mind my genitals because most people don't go looking inside my pants to see what's there. And they work fine. It's mostly my face, voice, chest, height, hips that bother me more than anything since everyone can clock me right away.

Quote from: Axélle on November 12, 2011, 08:31:26 AMOf course it does keep the 'wolf from the door' of all these nasty non- and pre- vs post-op MtF posts,  when every one over here (FtM) thinks they all the same pre- non- or post-op. All male genitals, easy peacy, no?

I think you've misunderstood the arguments here. All male bodies are not the same, and I don't think anyone in this thread has made that claim.

I do not think I misunderstood the point made that a female genital AFAB is actually a male genital AMAB, so long you just tell that to be your reality. Hello?!

Never the less, misunderstanding or not - it is not a done thing to change one's post (as was done just earlier) make it sound obnoxious --- and then re-post it under my name...
That's yet a new one for me, and it is the height of arrogance, if I might say so.

Thank you,
Axelle

The FTM boards are usually pretty peaceful when it comes to differing opinions about SRS. Some guys want it and some don't, and we usually manage to accept that what's right for one guy isn't necessarily right for everyone else. I want to keep it that way.

Most of us are aware of the vicious battles that have recently been fought in the MTF forums over SRS and what constitutes a "real" woman. I am NOT pleased that someone has seen fit to transplant some of that war into the FTM forums, and I have no problems putting a stop to it. I have no desire to stifle discussion, even when it gets a bit heated. But TOS violations are a different story.

And now back to the discussion...

Quote from: Arch on November 13, 2011, 12:39:01 AM
The FTM boards are usually pretty peaceful when it comes to differing opinions about SRS. Some guys want it and some don't, and we usually manage to accept that what's right for one guy isn't necessarily right for everyone else. I want to keep it that way.

Most of us are aware of the vicious battles that have recently been fought in the MTF forums over SRS and what constitutes a "real" woman. I am NOT pleased that someone has seen fit to transplant some of that war into the FTM forums, and I have no problems putting a stop to it. I have no desire to stifle discussion, even when it gets a bit heated. But TOS violations are a different story.

And now back to the discussion...

AMEN.

There maybe some arguments for sure on the MtF line - but about "real" women??

Would you point out where that was posted?
I NEVER saw any of that EVER, unless you are interpreting...

I was post-op too not to long ago, and would not have had the desire or need to call "a spade a shovel"...

Yet, as always YMMV

Amen

I don't like my biol  organs. I can't do anything about it either because I'm unable to afford top surgery and the technology for bottom surgery does not fit to my standards.

Quote from: Axélle on November 13, 2011, 12:35:36 AM
I do not think I misunderstood the point made that a female genital AFAB is actually a male genital AMAB, so long you just tell that to be your reality. Hello?!

What the heck is AFAB and AMAB. Jeez I'm already confused enough with every time a new label comes out to "define" someone's sexuality and all the different abbreviated lingo everyone uses (I'm still back at trying to determine just what CIS gender actually means ... I should probably just break down and google it).

Anyway ...

It seems like there's the scientific, white-coat definition of, "female genitalia" and then there's everyone's own individual and personal definitions for parts of their bodies. I'd call that two different things. I think the OP was trying to be all scientific with the terminology and just ended up stepping in a tiger trap with it because of everyone's individualized thoughts about what they got.

As for what I got, I've grown to accept it (because it's not going to change and that's reality) but that doesn't mean that I never wished it was different. It would be nice to have a couple more inches in the dick department and a functioning set of balls instead of some atrophied, pretty non-functional internal female bits. I wouldn't say I hate what I have now. I can get off just fine and that's a happy thing   

Oh dear - we ARE talking the FtM talk here.

I got flamed not knowing about it all - so let's recap:
AFAB = assigned female at birth and
AMAB = assigned male at birth.
CIS = non-trans (simply to keep it short, hum)

See, not that difficult... :-)
Yep, but you're right - labels for threads - as in 'horses for courses', hum.

Axelle

Thanks for straightening all that out for me Axélle

It's my pleasure insideontheoutside,

and as far as the OP goes...
NO I DON'T hate my female NAFAB*) genitalia, - just to make sure.

Doesn't come as a surprise I guess.

see ya dudes :-)
Axelle

*) NAFAB = non-assigned female at birth

Quote from: JasonRX on November 12, 2011, 11:29:39 AM
Are you FTM? If so, because you seem pretty isolated or uninformed, how old are you? I can link you to http://www.ftmguide.org/ which should provide you with pretty much all the answers you need though. :3

Yes, I am FTM because I don't have a female identity, you can read it under my avatar. I have always felt like a man. Why am i so isolated and uniformed? Well, I guess everybody is uninformed until they get informed and I am in that stage right now. I have just turned 30 and I've been lying myself and trying to convince myself I had to like my body for many years. Why so much time? I got confused basically because I am gay and that made me think I had to be a woman. Well, I am bisexual, actually, but I am mostly attracted to men. Then I realized that wasn't a good reason to think I was not FTM and I've been gathering information about FTMs for a few months, and with time I am becoming more sure that I want to transition. At first I had more doubts and I still have a few. I have talked about my doubts in the thread "starting to doubt I am trans" that Nick started. You can read it if you are curious, but the main reason is that I don't have a real issue with the genitalia that I was born with. I see myself well with male or female genitalia. That's why I started this thread, to know if others FTM feel like me. I have always hated my female body shape and appearance, breasts, and dressing like a girl.  I have alwyas wanted a deeper voice. And yes, "hate" is the right word for me, I hate it. I will be more careful chosing my expresions, though, as Kyril said, it's a strong word and putting that in the tittle was cumsy.
At first, crossing the line from being a masculine girl to be a boy, doing top surgery and removing a part of my body, was a bit scary, but I am little by little realizing that's what I have always wanted and there's no reason to be scared.

Quote from: Bradd on November 12, 2011, 11:57:48 AM
Well, STPs are devices that allow you to Stand To Pee (hence the acronym). Things like the peecock, the go girl or homemade ones. As for masturbation, there are some older threads touching on the subject. This place is a wealth of knowledge, and if you look at some older things you will find what you need to know sooner or later. There's also a lot of online resources to clue you in on this stuff.

Thank you very much Bradd.

Quote from: Ryno on November 12, 2011, 08:18:48 PM
I see my clit as a small dick and my labia as a scrotum.

That's exactly what I do!! The difference is that I also like to use "the hole" Being gay and liking penetrative sex in a passive way i find in it a way to do it without the initial discomfort of the... "other hole"

Quote from: Lee on November 12, 2011, 03:32:09 AM
Not really.  It's sort of out of sight, out of mind for me.  I tend to forget that it's there, so really what I'm lacking bothers me a lot more than what I have.

This. Sometimes something will come up that will remind the dysphoria but I generally change the subject and stop thinking before I get more than a little upset.

I guess I feel differently than other trans guys. I PERSONALLY feel delusional calling my junk male genitalia. At the same time I don't think of it as normal female genitalia either since it is like 2" long. As for the hole, I forget it is there because I never use it and I don't get my periods anymore.

Seriously, the guy posting obviously just came out and needs to figure out himself more. It is a valid question to ask since when I first came out I almost didn't think I was trans because I didn't hate every single part of me and didn't struggle as much as I thought I should have based on other FTMs. Of course the op will be more uneducated and not informed but how can he start when everyone is bitching at him?

For me, it is not hate so much as disgust and shame. The thought of being seen is horrid because it just isn't right. The panic attacks have been relieved due to packing but the slime part just will not go away. I'm way too poor to be able to fix that. It bothers me more than my chest does and that bothers me plenty.

Do I hate my current genital configuration?  No.  Would I rather it be different?  Yes.  But I've reached a point where I'm really okay with it, for the most part.  I'm not ruling out the possibility of surgery in the future, but for now I'm just accepting it like it is and trying to make the best of it.

Quote from: Da Monkey on November 13, 2011, 12:15:18 PM
I guess I feel differently than other trans guys. I PERSONALLY feel delusional calling my junk male genitalia. At the same time I don't think of it as normal female genitalia either since it is like 2" long. As for the hole, I forget it is there because I never use it and I don't get my periods anymore.

Seriously, the guy posting obviously just came out and needs to figure out himself more. It is a valid question to ask since when I first came out I almost didn't think I was trans because I didn't hate every single part of me and didn't struggle as much as I thought I should have based on other FTMs. Of course the op will be more uneducated and not informed but how can he start when everyone is bitching at him?

thank you very much Da Monkey.

Quote from: Kvall on November 12, 2011, 10:00:01 PM
It's how the sex determination system for cissexuals works, but that doesn't mean you can extrapolate it as applying to transsexuals. Why should I describe my body with a system that was never meant to account for it?
My definition of a trans person is someone who was assigned the wrong gender/sex at birth (or in some cases during early childhood).

The sex determination system is what assigns someone male or female at birth. Why would there be a different system for transsexuals and cissexuals? Newborns don't have a gender identity, so they can't be cis or trans. What you are assigned at birth is based on your genitalia not your gender identity. Unless you are intersexed this is going to be female or male, regardless if this label matches your future gender identity.

In a case of an FTM what is assigned isn't wrong because it turns out you don't really have female genitalia, it's wrong because you don't have a female gender identity.