Quote from: Butterflyhugs on November 06, 2011, 03:18:24 PMIt goes by "genital status" for everyone, regardless of legal documents

Are you sure about that?  Are you sure it wouldn't just go off of your sex on your birth certificate?  Because I don't yet know of any states that will let you change your birth certification without SRS.

And if they simply just look in your pants to decide what prison you go to, that's not very definite because what about intersex people, or what about a FTM with very little bottom surgery done so it looks like they basically have both parts.  It just gets confusing and there is no definite "yep you have a penis", it's all in between.  But sex on birth certificate is a definite thing.

Quote from: JohnAlex on November 06, 2011, 05:21:12 PM
Are you sure about that?  Are you sure it wouldn't just go off of your sex on your birth certificate?  Because I don't yet know of any states that will let you change your birth certification without SRS.

Yes I'm sure. What about someone who gets SRS but doesn't get around to changing their birth certificate?

Bottom line, in the U.S., they aren't going to put someone with a vagina in a men's prison and they're not going to put someone with a penis in a women's prison. For now that's just the way it is (although there are people and groups, whom I support, actively working to change this).

QuoteAnd if they simply just look in your pants to decide what prison you go to, that's not very definite because what about intersex people, or what about a FTM with very little bottom surgery done so it looks like they basically have both parts.  It just gets confusing and there is no definite "yep you have a penis", it's all in between.  But sex on birth certificate is a definite thing.

I don't know how they handle intersex people. Google might be your friend if you really want to know that. I'm just saying what I do know, which is that currently in the U.S. you are put in prison according to your "genital status," regardless of how you present otherwise (in person or on documents).

Look at my face in my avatar. Female right? Reasonably attractive female perhaps? And I have big boobs too. My driver's license even says I'm female. But I'd go to a men's prison because of my genital status (pre-OP). Obviously the prospect terrifies me and I want to see it changed, but I'm 200% sure that's how it is right now.

I will say that at some places trans people are just put into their own area (usually solitary confinement).

Semi related...I do know there's a group that partners up queer people in prison with queer people not in prison as part of a way to help the mental health of queer prisoners. I would bet they have trans people who might want letters if people are interested.

Most individuals who are arrested sit in booking awaiting their DOJ paperwork to clear so they can be OR'd or post bail.  If neither of those happen, they get housed.  If a transgendered person came in, it would be a huge liability to house them in general population, they'd most likely go to administrative segregation or the medical unit.

Quote from: Epi on November 06, 2011, 06:47:47 PMIf a transgendered person came in, it would be a huge liability to house them in general population, they'd most likely go to administrative segregation or the medical unit.

A nice way of saying "solitary confinement," which is now considered cruel and unusual emotional torture 

rob a bank if you succeed you can pay for bottom surgery if you fail you go to prison and get bottom surgery. ITS A WIN WIN.

hahahahha that's ->-bleeped-<-ing genius