Quote from: Sharky on November 13, 2011, 07:17:30 PM
The sex determination system is what assigns someone male or female at birth. Why would there be a different system for transsexuals and cissexuals? Newborns don't have a gender identity, so they can't be cis or trans. What you are assigned at birth is based on your genitalia not your gender identity. Unless you are intersexed this is going to be female or male, regardless if this label matches your future gender identity.

If you're intersex it's still M or F. And unfortunately for a lot of intersex people doctors still decide (or force the parents to decide) which one it is mostly through invasive surgery.

@Kvall
wow my good man you need to learn to loosen up. I sure see the sign of too much T.

@Da Monkey
thank you for adding some reality to these proceedings. Thanks too for the mature response.

Life's a guess - I guess.
Axelle
PS: not sure hugs are allowed in this T loaded environs, if so? Hug... and please don't crush me, only one at a time, eh :-)

Quote from: Sharky on November 13, 2011, 07:17:30 PM
The sex determination system is what assigns someone male or female at birth. Why would there be a different system for transsexuals and cissexuals? Newborns don't have a gender identity, so they can't be cis or trans. What you are assigned at birth is based on your genitalia not your gender identity. Unless you are intersexed this is going to be female or male, regardless if this label matches your future gender identity.

In a case of an FTM what is assigned isn't wrong because it turns out you don't really have female genitalia, it's wrong because you don't have a female gender identity.

I think that Kvall is trying to say that the sex determination system that's currently in place works for cissexual people...it works in their favor.

Welcome to the world - >99% are cis, so what to expect?!

Axelle

Quote from: Nygeel on November 13, 2011, 10:42:30 PM
I think that Kvall is trying to say that the sex determination system that's currently in place works for cissexual people...it works in their favor.

If something works in your favor, it means you benefit from it, right? How does the sex determination system benefit cis people? Do you mean cis people have the benefit of their assigned sex matching their identity?

Like Axelle said. Most of the population is cis so i wouldn't expect the system to bother them.

Quote from: Sharky on November 13, 2011, 11:22:28 PM
If something works in your favor, it means you benefit from it, right? How does the sex determination system benefit cis people? Do you mean cis people have the benefit of their assigned sex matching their identity?

Like Axelle said. Most of the population is cis so i wouldn't expect the system to bother them.

The system probably bothers cis people who have close friends or relatives that they really care about who are trans. Cissexuals already have confirmed sex identities. They are told that they are who they are while we have to prove ourselves in various ways.

* They [cis] are told that they are who they are while we have to prove ourselves in various ways. *

Very true, the never ending challenge it seems - and it becomes quite burden.
Some folk have no arms, some no legs, life has it's vagaries...
Will we get used to ours? I daily hope so.

Axelle

For me personally, if its called anything other than a f***hole it bothers me a bit. Maybe that's just because I'm more comfortable being vulgar, but eh. I can deal with front hole too.

It bothers me sometimes, but since I primarily have sex with my boyfriend (or would like to) its not a big deal. It actually bothered me more when I was still screwing with my girlfriend a lot. Probably sounds kind of odd, but it makes sense to me.

Quote from: Nezhi on November 12, 2011, 06:33:51 AM
people here get so butt hurt over things that don't really matter at all, it's a wonder they can actually survive in life being the drama queens they are

I agree completely.

My genitalia is female genitalia, which is why I am a female to male transsexual.  I am not so far in denial that I think that my genitals are male, because they aren't male.

and to answer the OP question, sometimes I hate it sometimes I don't really care either way.  I don't hate it as much as I wish I had a penis and testicles.

I just want to reiterate that the problem that I had was with the carelessness of the question. For me personally, the word "hate" makes me touchy. I feel like not hating my genitalia has made me the odd man out sometimes.

"Hate" would be going a bit far for what I feel...it's more like, "wait, what? Why are things like this? How awkward." I do want to get surgery if I can ever afford it, but I can deal with what I've got for now.

And obviously different people will feel different ways...it's ridiculous for anyone to think every trans guy is going to feel exactly the same about everything ever.

It is nice to see that so many other guys share my feelings on it. It really is just more of a "huh? Well, that's odd..." sort of deal.

Quote from: AugustFalcon on November 14, 2011, 08:02:22 PM
"Hate" would be going a bit far for what I feel...it's more like, "wait, what? Why are things like this? How awkward." I do want to get surgery if I can ever afford it, but I can deal with what I've got for now.

And obviously different people will feel different ways...it's ridiculous for anyone to think every trans guy is going to feel exactly the same about everything ever.

Confusion and incorrectness, right. I still don't understand why this happened.

It feels so awkward to  have triggered 4 pages of discussion with a tittle!!!
I AM SORRY!!!!

Quote from: beyondlabels on November 15, 2011, 02:03:52 AM
It feels so awkward to  have triggered 4 pages of discussion with a tittle!!!
I AM SORRY!!!!

Ah hey man, talking is good and informative and even fun. I'd rather we got a little riled up than not discuss it in the first place. It's part of how we know how we all feel about stuff, where the boundaries are, how we define ourselves, what we want.

Don't feel bad. 

I hated my junk so much I got rid of it.  Well, except my penis.  I kept that part.  And had balls put into my scrotum.  My cis boyfriend said that if he didn't know different, he'd think I just had small junk.  I have a small dick, but it looks and works like a dick.  So yeah, maybe I'll be less willing to disclose in the future.

The internal crap that created the monthly death absolutely had to go, and the hole.  ::shudder::  that was so repulsive to me it had to go as well.

I am male. And gay. And va jay jays creep me out.


Jay

Great to hear you are so satisfied with your results, sneakersjay.  Can you stand to pee at an urinal with the guys?  That is what I want most to do in the end.  I want everything that has to do with monthly bleeding gone, hole and all.

Quote from: mm on November 15, 2011, 10:07:23 AM
Great to hear you are so satisfied with your results, sneakersjay.  Can you stand to pee at an urinal with the guys?  That is what I want most to do in the end.  I want everything that has to do with monthly bleeding gone, hole and all.

Yes, I can pee at a urinal.

Jay

Great to hear, sneakersjay, that would make the whole lower surgery worthwhile for me.

When I have clothes on I don't notice it really cause I feel like a man at all times. It's when I take showers that I dislike it. I can't look in the mirror if I don't have clothes on and I touch it as little as possible. It's useless to me. Besides going to the bathroom i don't do anything with it.