Quote from: sneakersjay on November 15, 2011, 10:22:03 AM
Yes, I can pee at a urinal.

Jay

Jay, I think I already asked you once but I can't remember. How painful was the surgery (if you don't mind me asking) and how long was recovering time? Did you get a phallo or meta done?

Quote from: Felix on November 14, 2011, 06:15:25 PM
I just want to reiterate that the problem that I had was with the carelessness of the question. For me personally, the word "hate" makes me touchy. I feel like not hating my genitalia has made me the odd man out sometimes.

Well, that's right too. Now I know much more about what other people think and feel.

Quote from: Josh T on November 16, 2011, 10:48:44 PM
Jay, I think I already asked you once but I can't remember. How painful was the surgery (if you don't mind me asking) and how long was recovering time? Did you get a phallo or meta done?

I had a full meta with vaginectomy, urethral hookup and testicular implants.  Recovery was a good 8 weeks, not too painful but a bit uncomfortable.  Nothing advil or tylenol couldn't take care of.  Somewhere around here is my long version of the events, maybe in bottom surgery?


Jay

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,81846.0.html

thanks again man for sharing your experiences! i really appreciate it.

QuoteI hated my junk so much I got rid of it.

Jay, I also appreciate you sharing your experience. Hope to follow in your footsteps.


For many years, I hated all genitalia and wanted to be like GI Joe.
Once the decision to physically transition got underway it became clear I totally want some man junk under the hood. Varoom.
It feels weird to be mismatched. Using male words for lower anatomy makes it easier to deal with, but for me it's a temporary bandaid until matching parts can be installed.

Quote from: sneakersjay on November 17, 2011, 10:37:11 AM
I had a full meta with vaginectomy, urethral hookup and testicular implants.  Recovery was a good 8 weeks, not too painful but a bit uncomfortable.  Nothing advil or tylenol couldn't take care of.  Somewhere around here is my long version of the events, maybe in bottom surgery?


Jay

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,81846.0.html

Ah I had one more question. By recovery do you mean hospital time or in general?

Being perfectly blunt,
Yes, I hate my female genitalia.
It makes me angry that it's there because others see me as a female because they don't see a bulge there. Humans are often shallow and don't understand 'Don't judge a book by it's cover,'
Because of my genitalia, I am treated like something that I am not and I'm misunderstood.
If I could rip it off and out of me without dying, I would do it without a second thought.

Quote from: Cody Jensen on November 18, 2011, 06:03:06 PM
Ah I had one more question. By recovery do you mean hospital time or in general?

Was in the hospital less than a week.  Full recovery by 8 weeks though still a bit stiff and sore.  Not really painful.


Jay

Quote from: sneakersjay on November 19, 2011, 08:17:35 AM
Was in the hospital less than a week.  Full recovery by 8 weeks though still a bit stiff and sore.  Not really painful.


Jay

Congrats man! Happy for ya

Quote from: kyril on November 12, 2011, 10:58:22 PM
"Hate" is a strong word. I'm kind of grossed out by it (I'm gay. I shouldn't ever have to touch one of those things.) But I don't hate it...I can get off, and it provides a really easy convenient way to get my boyfriend off too, and it's just generally fairly harmless.

If it weren't slimy, I'd be totally OK with the hole part, and my only problem with my dick is that it isn't bigger.

I loved this answer!

I don't consider my genitalia "female" or gendered at all really nor do I necessarily "hate" it. In many respects I'm pretty indifferent to what's below the waste. Like some said, "out of sight, out of mind."  On the other hand there are times when I have to acknowledge what's down there and it bugs me, especially when it comes to sex. Other people touching that area of my body freaks me out, so directly contact with the genitals I was born with is pretty much off bounds in a relationship. Sometimes that bothers me, other times not. On the other hand, at this point having bottom surgery doesn't appeal to me.

I definitely want to be rid of the general reproductive system, though. Just having that sitting there is blech

Quote from: Nygeel on November 12, 2011, 02:46:15 AM
I identify as male, thus my genitalia are male.

this this this

I hate my genitals.  It would be a little bit better if I didn't have a monthly but I would much rather have a biological male's penis.  I hate the breasts to but I hate them less than the bottom.  I'm a fat guy so I'm not going to be walking around shirtless at a beach.  I would rather have boobs and a dick.

I have to say I'm really looking forward to my clit growing once I get on T.  I think that'll make me feel a lot better.  Sometimes I forget I have female genitalia until I go to pee and realize "oh yeah-- I can't just whip it out and go at the urinal....".  This is especially true when I'm passing really well and, for some reason, when I really, REALLY have to pee.  Other than that I'm not too bothered by it right now.  It's not something most people usually see and I'm more worried about those things at the moment.

And to tell you the truth, my favorite come back to any guy who ever told me he can do anything I can do better is to punch myself several times with a good deal of force down there (not hard enough to injure, but it does hurt.... Nothing I can't handle, though).  Gets 'em every time...

Quote from: beyondlabels on November 12, 2011, 02:06:28 AM
All of you hate your female genitalia?

Well, I view every part of my body as male.  But I understand your question and don't think it's offensive.

But to actually answer your question, no I don't hate it.  Not at all.

The problem is some people here think their body is part of the gender. It's clearly not or trans people wouldn't exist.

I'm a woman but my body is male. When I'm dead and someone looks at my bones 200 years from now, they will NOT see female no matter how much surgery I have. I can say I have a female body, but that's not being truthful to myself. I can't say "my junk is female" nor does it become female just because I know I am a woman. It also doesn't make me less of a woman either.

I can change things so my body looks -more- feminine and I'm doing that. But I also have accepted my body will never be -female- either. Even post-op I can have what appears to be female junk but it's really not. That wouldn't stop me from one day doing this, but I AM realistic about what is going on. I think trying to delude yourself into believing your body becomes the sex of the gender you self ID as is not healthy either.

People really need to learn to accept they are trans and that it's OK to be trans.

Quote from: Kvall on November 13, 2011, 10:31:58 AM
Again, nobody is saying that we think our bodies are configured exactly the same as a cis male's, but we are saying that our bodies are every bit as male as a cis male's, despite being configured differently. Learn the difference, learn to understand nuance, and quit making silly assumptions that are obviously untrue and insult our intellects.

Why so focused on your body defining who you are to the point of saying things like this? My having a male body does not make me any less of a woman than a woman that was born with a female body. Why would you insist that your body is no less male than a born male when that has zero, nada, nothing to do with being a man? My body clearly is NOT every bit as female as a cis-female (even if I was post op) but I'm every bit as much of a woman. Gender (man/woman) <> sex (male/female).

Quote from: Stephe on February 22, 2012, 11:30:35 PM
Why so focused on your body defining who you are to the point of saying things like this? My having a male body does not make me any less of a woman than a woman that was born with a female body. Why would you insist that your body is no less male than a born male when that has zero, nada, nothing to do with being a man? My body clearly is NOT every bit as female as a cis-female (even if I was post op) but I'm every bit as much of a woman. Gender (man/woman) <> sex (male/female).

Why so focused on defining other people's bodies to the point of saying things like this?

Quote from: Stephe on February 22, 2012, 11:16:13 PM
The problem is some people here think their body is part of the gender. It's clearly not or trans people wouldn't exist.

I'm a woman but my body is male. When I'm dead and someone looks at my bones 200 years from now, they will NOT see female no matter how much surgery I have. I can say I have a female body, but that's not being truthful to myself. I can't say "my junk is female" nor does it become female just because I know I am a woman. It also doesn't make me less of a woman either.

I can change things so my body looks -more- feminine and I'm doing that. But I also have accepted my body will never be -female- either. Even post-op I can have what appears to be female junk but it's really not. That wouldn't stop me from one day doing this, but I AM realistic about what is going on. I think trying to delude yourself into believing your body becomes the sex of the gender you self ID as is not healthy either.

Well said, Stephe. I can't rate answers yet but if I could I would give you a +1.

Quote from: Nygeel on February 23, 2012, 12:14:09 AM
Why so focused on defining other people's bodies to the point of saying things like this?

Because it's the truth. Our bodies (at least at birth) are female by definition. If not then what are you doing in the "female-to-male" section?
What we want to be the case does not affect what is, in fact, the case.

Quote from: poptart on February 23, 2012, 01:39:23 AM

Because it's the truth. Our bodies (at least at birth) are female by definition. If not then what are you doing in the "female-to-male" section?
What we want to be the case does not affect what is, in fact, the case.

Already wrote about why I'm male earlier in this thread. According to Stephe no surgery in the world can make me male, so why bother calling us "female to male" if we'really always going to be female? I disagree with the FTM label, but for other reasons.