Makes me wonder.....a feminine looking and acting FTM, in transition or post transition... who's really into beauty, fashion and is a hairdresser by profession...or runs a nailsalon for instance....or a beautyparlor.....and yet claims he's  a'100% man' ....does such an FTM exist?

As a counterpart for MTF's who are into gunplay, baseball, fast cars, computers, militairy etc?

I've never ever heard of such a FTM, let alone met one in person.

Oh, and forget about the 'penis thing', there are born men with  micropenises.

I've never met any, but nothing in theory is against the possibility, so I think they most probably exist. This is part of why the concept of gender identity is extremely hard to grasp entirely, even for transgendered individuals.

Quote from: stldrmgrl on November 22, 2011, 09:02:20 AM
+1

I am still heavily into guns, military, LE, etc.

Thats awesome! i don't see anything wrong with that, and i know some CIS girls that are heavily into it too!

Quote from: pretty on November 22, 2011, 11:53:56 AM
That doesn't make something girly... unless you're like, a misogynist, I guess.

I didnt say it did! I meant it more like " besides what guy doesn't find a girl with a gun sexy?"  just as a funny statement.  I think a pink gun is pretty girly! maybe even a little too girly for me! haha or not!

Misogyny: is the hatred or dislike of women or girls, a person  who  mistrusts, or mistreats women. literally translates into "woman hater."
Commonly used to describe men who hate women!    UH NO! NOT ME AT ALL! wow, why would you say this? I am very girly and love women. what makes likeing guns turn to this?, why does it make me a misogynist?

Quote from: Lily on November 22, 2011, 01:11:19 PM
I just do what I like. I never think "is this something girls would do?," I just do stuff because I enjoy it.

exactly! well put!

Quote from: Jen-Jen on November 22, 2011, 06:02:15 AM
yup guns! What? They are girly right? I think so. I mean what kind of guy doesn't find a girl with a gun sexy?

LOL! 

Quote from: Dahlia on November 22, 2011, 03:20:26 PM
Makes me wonder.....a feminine looking and acting FTM, in transition or post transition... who's really into beauty, fashion and is a hairdresser by profession...or runs a nailsalon for instance....or a beautyparlor.....and yet claims he's  a'100% man' ....does such an FTM exist?

As a counterpart for MTF's who are into gunplay, baseball, fast cars, computers, militairy etc?

I've never ever heard of such a FTM, let alone met one in person.

Oh, and forget about the 'penis thing', there are born men with  micropenises.

My roomies actually had a discussion about that the other day - we argued about what constituted a "man" and "woman".... I asked if a FTM who is into "female hobbies" is any less man than a natal male with "female hobbies."

I was listening to metal in my dates car tonight.

I was a femmie boy...so I guess I don't know how much they changed. I used to read comic books, lost interest...lost interest in video games...still into collecting kinda sorta.

I still like some stuff... But more girly overall. Rather spend my money on comic books since alcohol is pretty much for any bar I go to/

Quote from: heatherrose on November 23, 2011, 01:44:50 AM

And other girly things like Big Rigs....

I love big rigs especially the ones with dual chrome stacks, chrome grills and bumpers! I am a classic Peterbuilt or Frieghtliner kinda girl my self.  Gotta love the sound of the airhorns and diesel engine.

Quote from: Jen-Jen on November 23, 2011, 02:55:35 AM
I love big rigs especially the ones with dual chrome stacks, chrome grills and bumpers! I am a classic Peterbuilt or Frieghtliner kinda girl my self.  Gotta love the sound of the airhorns and diesel engine.

You should write advertisements for gay events, cuz that just turned me on. Especially those chrome stacks and grills

Quote from: Jen-Jen on November 23, 2011, 02:55:35 AM
I love big rigs especially the ones with dual chrome stacks, chrome grills and bumpers! I am a classic Peterbuilt or Frieghtliner kinda girl my self.  Gotta love the sound of the airhorns and diesel engine.

Good Lord, that might just make you a fem-tran-butch-diesel-dyke... he he

Quote from: Axélle on November 23, 2011, 03:05:19 AM
Good Lord, that might just make you a fem-tran-butch-diesel-dyke... he he

Hardly. I'm really into men's chests and men.

"Butch" does not apply to Elle.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 23, 2011, 02:56:32 AM
You should write advertisements for gay events, cuz that just turned me on. Especially those chrome stacks and grills

lol.. thanks Elle, nice to know I can turn you on!

Quote from: Axélle on November 23, 2011, 03:05:19 AM
Good Lord, that might just make you a fem-tran-butch-diesel-dyke... he he

Thats it!  I always wondered what catagory I fell into. (Being sarcastic)haha .. wow! Thanks Axelle.  Every thing but the butch part would be correct. I'm good with Fem-Tran-Diesel-Dyke!

Quote from: Jen-Jen on November 23, 2011, 03:28:22 AM
lol.. thanks Elle, nice to know I can turn you on!

Thats it!  I always wondered what catagory I fell into. (Being sarcastic)haha .. wow! Thanks Axelle.  Every thing but the butch part would be correct. I'm good with Fem-Tran-Diesel-Dyke!

You like girls? Learn something new everyday  I guess.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 23, 2011, 03:53:05 AM
You like girls? Learn something new everyday  I guess.

yes I'm into girls. Is that a surprise? You sound surprised, what did you think and why?

Quote from: MsDazzler on November 22, 2011, 11:55:14 PM
My roomies actually had a discussion about that the other day - we argued about what constituted a "man" and "woman".... I asked if a FTM who is into "female hobbies" is any less man than a natal male with "female hobbies."

I don't think you should just go assuming that that natal male with "female hobbies" has a strong male identity.

Quote from: Jen-Jen on November 23, 2011, 04:00:38 AM
yes I'm into girls. Is that a surprise? You sound surprised, what did you think and why?

Well, most women like guys so it's not that weird to be surprised someone is a lesbian 

Quote from: pretty on November 23, 2011, 04:02:54 AM
I don't think you should just go assuming that that natal male with "female hobbies" has a strong male identity.

Well, most women like guys so it's not that weird to be surprised someone is a lesbian 

Well it's more common in the trans community. I think we have more lezzies here... Now me, I just spent the last 20 minutes watching boys kissing, looking at boys chests/faces, and thinking about hitting gay bars and hookin up with more bisexual boys. Nothing is hotter than two men going at it.

The taste of young bisexual guy last night has turned my energy and sex drive into overdrive...My sex drive may not "function" but I am still turned on heavily by the same things.

Oddly, I still feel like a woman...despite the fact that Carnivale is happening in Brazil at the moment.

Quote from: pretty on November 23, 2011, 04:02:54 AM
Well, most women like guys so it's not that weird to be surprised someone is a lesbian 

Well I am not total Lez, I mean I'm into Chris Evans! Yumm!

Quote from: Lynn on November 22, 2011, 06:36:59 AM
I did the same with computers for a very long time. I've always been good at fixing them and all that stuff, and thought it was something I liked.
Then when I went to college for IT, I realized I was only just good at it, but actually hated it beyond just doing what's needed to keep things going for myself.

Yeah, I can definitely say that Math is not just a thing that I'm good at (partly because I'm not very good at it), but a thing I like.  I once made a spreadsheet that calculated the differences between the differences in area from one n-sided regular polygon (with a length from center to corner of 1) to the next, from a triangle, up to some thousands of sides, to examine the development of π as one moves from basic, rational polygons toward the irrational perfect circle... for fun.

Quote from: Maya Zimmerman on November 23, 2011, 12:09:33 PM
Yeah, I can definitely say that Math is not just a thing that I'm good at (partly because I'm not very good at it), but a thing I like.  I once made a spreadsheet that calculated the differences between the differences in area from one n-sided regular polygon (with a length from center to corner of 1) to the next, from a triangle, up to some thousands of sides, to examine the development of π as one moves from basic, rational polygons toward the irrational perfect circle... for fun.

Going off-topic buuuut...
You like pi? You must get what that thing is saying below my user name ("apple/(113/355) (to 6 d.p.)")
And also my favourite way to calculate pi is this...
Since 4 arctan 1/5 - arctan 1/239 = pi/4, one can just then plug 1/5 and 1/239 into arctan x = x - x^3/3 + x^5/5 - x^7/7 + ...
Gives you heaps of decimal places only after a few terms!
I like it because it's relatively simple, and also generates the decimal places of pi really rapidly...

So I guess I like some of the math stuff too. But the stuff I actually was studying, I hated most of it.

Actually, I don't get it.  I noticed it because it's numbers, but I still don't understand how 113/355 relates to π.  And as far as calculating, like I said, I'm not good.  I actually don't even get what you're doing there with arctan (I remember the term from Trig, but don't get what's going on with your formulas).  I just did what I could easily to see the underlying Mathematical structure of the shapes evolving.

Oh, but I have won the Chicago Nerd Social Club π-Off for two consecutive years now, with only 42 digits memorized.  Next year, I'm getting to 65 and quitting.  After all, 65 digits of π are enough to calculate the circumference of a circle of diameter equal to the largest estimate of the size of the known Universe to an accuracy of the Planck length.  It's fair to say I'll never need any more digits and any pattern that can be expected to be found by calculating trillions of digits would be entirely arbitrary, based on its being calculated in base 10.

"An apple pie; the number π; I studied you in Math class and did all my work, but never got your digits" from Apple Trees by Ozma

"I may be a sorry case, but I don't write jokes in base 13." - Douglas Adams, on 6 times 9 equaling 42