Here is an interesting fact.   The USA imported wholesale all the officers who worked on the Nazi V rockets that killed thousands in London during the war.    Washington didn't bat an eye-lid at employing ex-Nazis and giving them a home and job in America.   Consider this Werner Von Braun was a member of the SS.

Long but highly interesting video.

I wonder what has happened to Mimpi?

Quote from: Happy Girl! on November 25, 2011, 07:56:53 PM
Here is an interesting fact.   The USA imported wholesale all the officers who worked on the Nazi V rockets that killed thousands in London during the war.    Washington didn't bat an eye-lid at employing ex-Nazis and giving them a home and job in America.   Consider this Werner Von Braun was a member of the SS.

The Rocket program was under the SS's Special Weapons Projects.

Never heard of Operation Paperclip (wasn't just the title of an X-Files episode either)?

Now tell me this...who was General Dr Ing. Hans (Heinz) Friedrich Karl Franz Kammler?

Is there some reason you feel compelled to start, what is it, three separate threads on the same topic?

P.S. Never mind; I'm merging them.

I think Happgirl doesn't believe the stuff she's been saying. I think she's doing it to get a reaction. I think she has better deductive reasoning skills than this. I think she's smarter than this.

Conspiracies only work well with a very limited number of people that know and would have access to the data and who would have been sworn to secracy. To understand the magnitude of what would have had to happen for them to pull it off is to know the shear number of people involved in the space program at that time. At the time of Apollo 8 NASA employed just shy of 270,000 employees both civil and military with the largest being from the civilian side. (Apollo 11 was the following year and employment still was over 219,000) To keep that many people in line would be harder than herding felines during a rain storm. It would mean that or some of the scientists working on it would have seen the figures and realized that there were anomalies that would not add up and questions would have been asked at that time and someone would most likely have come forward to ask those questions from within NASA itself.

No thread is completely pointless if someone can interject a Samuel Johnson quote into it. 

I haven't had this much fun since darklady last logged on. 

-Sandy

But factor in a very small but very important fact that must be overlooked for the "cover up" to work. Going back to Apollo 8,9 and 10 all three had orbited the moon. Apollo 8 was very late 1968. Now if any of these missions could NOT get out of a low level orbit the Soviets would have know it as they were also able to track space flights. It means the Soviets were in on the cover up and why would they have never said anything if they could have used it to their advantage and embarrassed the Americans with the "facts"?

Add to that that there were not 1 but 5 moon landings (6 launches but Apollo 13 never made it) What do you do with 5 sets of lunar modules and lunar landers. If they are not launched with the space flight it throws the flight off as you have to factor in the weight change and where did they go? And if they did go up it means that they were jettisoned sometime during orbit and there should have been debris from at least one of the sets.

Quote from: SarahM777 on November 25, 2011, 11:05:36 PM
But factor in a very small but very important fact that must be overlooked for the "cover up" to work. Going back to Apollo 8,9 and 10 all three had orbited the moon. Apollo 8 was very late 1968. Now if any of these missions could NOT get out of a low level orbit the Soviets would have know it as they were also able to track space flights. It means the Soviets were in on the cover up and why would they have never said anything if they could have used it to their advantage and embarrassed the Americans with the "facts"?

Add to that that there were not 1 but 5 moon landings (6 launches but Apollo 13 never made it) What do you do with 5 sets of lunar modules and lunar landers. If they are not launched with the space flight it throws the flight off as you have to factor in the weight change and where did they go? And if they did go up it means that they were jettisoned sometime during orbit and there should have been debris from at least one of the sets.

Here is what Wisnewski has to say about America's silence over Gagarin's rather dubious flight.


" No one talks about this now, but in those early days there were many doubts.   The American press looked askance at cosmonaut Gagarin's flight.
But although the American government had eyes with which it could have read the signs, it did not do so...And of course it had its own experts who must have
analysed Gagarin's flight.   But nothing happened.    One reason for this may have been the huge prestige invested by the Soviet Union in the flight.
The Soviet leadership had embraced and kissed the cosmonaut en masse in Red Square.   For America to cast doubt on the flight would thus have been at least
an unfriendly act, if not a downright inimical one.
Another reason might have been that the USA would have presented itself to the world as a sore loser.   A dispute about the flight would have been an argument with no
clear outcome.    So why not instead use it to build up one's own potential?     To acknowledge the flight meant giving the go ahead for its own enormous space
programme from which both the military and industry would gain financially for years to come. "

Wisnewski 2007, p.49


From this you can see why the Soviets said nothing about the moon landings.

Quote from: SarahM777 on November 25, 2011, 11:05:36 PM
But factor in a very small but very important fact that must be overlooked for the "cover up" to work. Going back to Apollo 8,9 and 10 all three had orbited the moon. Apollo 8 was very late 1968. Now if any of these missions could NOT get out of a low level orbit the Soviets would have know it as they were also able to track space flights. It means the Soviets were in on the cover up and why would they have never said anything if they could have used it to their advantage and embarrassed the Americans with the "facts"?

Add to that that there were not 1 but 5 moon landings (6 launches but Apollo 13 never made it) What do you do with 5 sets of lunar modules and lunar landers. If they are not launched with the space flight it throws the flight off as you have to factor in the weight change and where did they go? And if they did go up it means that they were jettisoned sometime during orbit and there should have been debris from at least one of the sets.

Now you see, there you go, using logic and facts on the altar of Lord High Science.  When EVERYBODY KNOWS that you cant go into space in the first place since there is no air to push against!

This is just too silly for words.

-Sandy

Was this clip recorded with a potato?

No, a meatball

And if you liked that, you'll love this...

Happy Girl....I can't believe you missed this one!




Stanley Kubrick Filmed Fake Moon Footage !! Proof ! Told you so


http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm

Quote from: Happy Girl! on November 25, 2011, 08:29:42 PM
I wonder what has happened to Mimpi?

THAT is the key to UNLOCKING this whole thing ... where is Mimpi ??

No landing on the moon?

Uhmm.
I am an aerospatial engineer. Yes, my whole job and university career is about writing fake documents for people out of u.s.a.
We in italy call it, being part of the "universitary students conspiracy"

In reality we are just high paid science fiction writers

Just gonna put that there.
Made it all special for this board. :3
I-I hope it's allowed? XD

Snooze, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Quote from: Sandy on November 25, 2011, 11:36:07 PM
Now you see, there you go, using logic and facts on the altar of Lord High Science.  When EVERYBODY KNOWS that you cant go into space in the first place since there is no air to push against!

This is just too silly for words.

-Sandy

Oh Oh Oh I think I got it. See in reality we ARE being prepared for all these secrets coming out. There really is an Area 51 (Independence Day) but there really aren't space aliens but it's actually an underground warehouse to keep all of our Nations secrets (Indiana Jones) They have hidden it so well because it is so deep in the New Mexico Nevada desert area. See and that's where they really have or had Amelia Earhart (Unlikely she is still there as she would now be over 110 years old now),Flight 19,the U.S.S. Cyclops,Elvis,and the 6 lunar modules and the lunar landers. See when they set the bombs off in the desert it wasn't really nuclear weapons being set off it was really they were blasting away in the desert for the underground warehouse. See see see don't you get it?

What's really happening is that Hollywood has been given the OK to start putting clues in all the movies now. (They figure most of us will never get it as the clues are hidden in the movies themselves) That's really the message of National Treasure and the Da Vinci Code. (The clues are not really pipes or bits of stone but are really hidden messages) They figure most of will never "get it" as they are hidden in works of fiction. So see what the government does is they get to preview all the movies so that they can make sure the messages are not in plain view. And because they don't want us to know the whole truth at one time it's just a clue here and a clue there and you really have to do some serious thinking to put it all together.

This is not meant to be taken seriously. It's just at time it seems like this is the kind of logic that is used.