My Transsexual Summer S01E02 (Part 1)

QuoteThis video contains content from Channel 4, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

Haha, what? Yet I can easily watch it on the Channel 4 youtube channel or Channel 4 website because I live in Britain. :I

This is the first time I've heard a male voice saying "I don't want a huge one" when referring to his penis size.

I am seething with anger as i watch this.
I think reality shows like this minimize our experiences.
I wanted to pull my hair out that ive been trying so hard to grow to watch a women go from what she described as a "bad ->-bleeped-<-" to glamorous because of that privileged support network that helped her.
Shows like this upset me so much that isn't REALITY. I couldn't even finish that video because the blood just rose to my face.

I completely agree, Torn1990.

I got hot-faced and facepalmed like never before while watching this.

You know, honestly, I think it's stuff like this that actually made me MORE repressed about being trans. I really admire what these people are doing, but this show is such a poor example of an average trans person, at least for girls. I do think the guys seemed to be better examples, but I don't think I'm qualified to make that judgement. Can we just have one show about trans people where someone isn't going to get surgery or is covered in butterfly tattoos/memorbillia?

Let's all get our asses on our own show.

It's gonna be gangsta.

Quote from: JoeyD on November 27, 2011, 12:21:13 AM
Let's all get our asses on our own show.

It's gonna be gangsta.

This! This by a million billion bajillion kumquatillion jizzilian!

Just an observation here... the SRS patient REALLY needs to work on her voice, holy crap ...

i started watching this show but it made me cry.

not to sound too judgmental but none of those girls pass very well....and it made me feel like I look that terrible.

pretty sure I'm going to hell for that.

but anyway...is it just me or do none of those girls even try with their voices?

I think the show has gona long way to highlight the struggles that trans-folk face, ive seen a lot of myself in all of the women ont he show, Fear of going out, trying to hide behind make-up, the over-masculinised over compensating from the one who had her op and the over the top personality way of overcompensating that donna has.
I think when it comes to their passability, the one who had her op was a late life transitioner and that never helps and the one with the purple and black wig is just starting out.  Drew wears too mcuh make-up but i think shes doing pretty well in general, if you have seen the cis-girls that roam the highstreets of england on fri-sat nights you would say she blends right in. And donna, well i dont think she wants to pass, if she wanted to blend in im sure she could looks wise but she is a loud and proud person and thats not her aim.
I know the show isnt perfect but its a lot closer to the truth than anything ive seen about trans people before.

Here is the main thread on the subject: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,110369.msg835863.html

Quote from: A_Dresden_Doll on November 27, 2011, 12:18:28 AM
You know, honestly, I think it's stuff like this that actually made me MORE repressed about being trans. I really admire what these people are doing, but this show is such a poor example of an average trans person, at least for girls. I do think the guys seemed to be better examples, but I don't think I'm qualified to make that judgement. Can we just have one show about trans people where someone isn't going to get surgery or is covered in butterfly tattoos/memorbillia?

It seems there's a bit of a  double standard going on here....I haven't  heard one of the MTF's in this vid  mention she's heavily into gunplay/weapons/shooting, baseball, a desire to join the army, not about fast cars or big trucks either...like I read frequently on these boards.
Those are 'average' examples of MTF's because there's a lot of them like that...

The MTF's in this vid are not masculine acting at all. Just a bit clumsy with their voices and in their tasteless presentation........which seems to represent their own cultural standards and class.

At least they're expressng  their feminity instead of being and acting very masculine and claiming they're '100% women'.

Their  MTF presentation is a matter of cultural standards and  class combined with personal (vulgar, cheap) taste but what the heck? Dew's mother looks and sounds a bit like a passing MTF too...

The FTM's were nice, natural male and had some realistic thoughts (on not wanting to have a huge penis for instance)

I think  reading  only on these boards is an entirely different matter from being in the real world meeting  MTF's in 3d AND hearing their voices.

<I know the show isnt perfect but its a lot closer to the truth than anything ive seen about trans people before.> I fully agree El!

I wasn't that shocked or amazed because the average Dutch TS looks, acts and speaks like this:

http://hellogoodbye.ncrv.nl/uitzendinggemist/fragment/hoe-gaat-nu-met-2-oktober and yes: those are breastimplants.

The only thing that drives me nuts on most (if not all) of these videos is the MTF voices. Put some work into your voice!!!!!!!!!!! Some of those girls looked stunning but their voices instantly gave them away.

I guess I should be thankful, because non-trans people might watch this and then assume that all transgirl's will have manly voices. So I'll pass just a little bit better because I worked on my voice.

I actually thought Drew passed well. Sarah on the other hand looked so masculine it was scary.

I actually think the series is pretty good. It does tell the story of the struggles of many transsexuals quite well. And some pass quite well (when they aren't talking at least), some don't pass, some are just starting their transitions. But like Samantharz said, they need to work on their voices!

Quote from: Samantharz on November 27, 2011, 09:35:27 AM
I guess I should be thankful, because non-trans people might watch this and then assume that all transgirl's will have manly voices. So I'll pass just a little bit better because I worked on my voice.

I think non-trans people already think that way without watching that. I used to exploit this fact a lot to pass better too...

Quote from: Samantharz on November 27, 2011, 09:35:27 AM
The only thing that drives me nuts on most (if not all) of these videos is the MTF voices. Put some work into your voice!!!!!!!!!!! Some of those girls looked stunning but their voices instantly gave them away.

I guess I should be thankful, because non-trans people might watch this and then assume that all transgirl's will have manly voices. So I'll pass just a little bit better because I worked on my voice.

We need to really keep the myth going that all trans-women sound like James Earl Jones.

Quote from: Dahlia on November 27, 2011, 04:53:04 AM
It seems there's a bit of a  double standard going on here....I haven't  heard one of the MTF's in this vid  mention she's heavily into gunplay/shooting, baseball, a desire to join the army, not about fast cars or big trucks either...like I read frequently on this boards.
Those are 'average' examples of MTF's because there's a lot of them....

The MTF's in this vid are not masculine acting at all. Just a bit clumsy with their voices and in their tasteless presentation........which seems to represent their own cultural standards and class.

At least they're expressng  their feminity instead of being and acting very masculine and claiming they're '100% women'.

Their  MTF presentation is a matter of cultural standards and  class combined with personal (vulgar, cheap) taste but what the heck? Dew's mother looks and sounds a bit like a passing MTF too...

The FTM's were nice, natural male and had some realistic thoughts (on not wanting to have a huge penis for instance)

I think  reading  only on this boards is an entirely different matter from being in the real world meeting  MTF's in 3d AND hearing their voices.

<I know the show isnt perfect but its a lot closer to the truth than anything ive seen about trans people before.> I fully agree El!

I wasn't that shocked or amazed because the average Dutch TS looks, acts and speaks like this:

http://hellogoodbye.ncrv.nl/uitzendinggemist/fragment/hoe-gaat-nu-met-2-oktober and yes: those are breastimplants.

Well put. I watched the whole series and liked it. The only thing I couldn't get past was almost nobody had a passing voice.. not even close! Especially the one who got SRS at the beginning of the show. I'm sure some are put off by the constant emphasis on surgeries, but it's TV.. what do you expect? Surgery is interesting to people. At least the shows narration was done with dignity and not treated like an american show with excess drama and crudeness.

Having watched all three episodes so far already I think this show is definitely in the right vein of programming on trans issues, I think it's fairly mean spirited to come on an anonymous forum and rip into young (and not so young) men and women who have gone on T.V. and exposed some very personal feelings and issues to the world.

Ok, so their voices aren't perfect. As far as I can see that only makes it harder if it means that all the people you would expect to support them (the trans community) are going to go for the jugular and claim that they are not a good representation of trans men and women. They seem to me to be exactly the kind of men and women you meet in Ireland and the U.K. trans or not. 

This is treating what the general public see as a weird thing with dignity and a search for real understanding not simply sensationalising everything. I personally have never seen a documentary cover the topic with such subtlety and respect for the individuals who bare their lives, even only for a short time, to help people understand.

What are the other portrayals of trans people in the T.V. media?? "Real" transpeople on Jerry Springer type shows? Dr. Phil's "balanced" look at trans kids? What about in fictional shows? How many of the trans characters we see are normal office workers compared to hookers or gold diggers.

I'm sorry if this comes across as a rant but it does really annoy me when people will pick fault with every single thing and neglect to look at the overall message. The main point I have seen is that the girls voices aren't good enough. Not one person has mentioned the fact that these are real people who volunteered to expose themselves to the world, and they can't even get some understanding from the people who have gone through the same thing, or are in the middle of it.

Everyone of you ladies must honestly admit to having fears of being a "bad ->-bleeped-<-" at some point. Even if you wouldn't phrase it that way the sentiment is the exact same as fears over bbeing passable, and Sarah is at the very start of her transition. In my opinion she jumped into full time life way too soon but it can't happen overnight.

Rant over! thanks for putting up with that diatribe

QuoteThis is treating what the general public see as a weird thing with dignity and a search for real understanding not simply sensationalising everything. I personally have never seen a documentary cover the topic with such subtlety and respect for the individuals who bare their lives, even only for a short time, to help people understand.

Have you seen transgeneration? It was a pretty good trans documentary. One of my favorite portrayals of trans in media so far.