Put a little of anarchy, a little of social economy awareness, a little of patriotich sense of pride, a little of institutional respect, a little of cooperation belief, a little of equal rights declaration, a little of caring for the unlucky ones and a little of occupy movement you have pretty much me

I still have some myths as Che Guevara, Ghandi... People who had the courage to fight oppression and inequality, but although i recognize that capitalism is the best possible system, it's just that it was made a mess by monopolies and now we almost live like ghosts, our future choosen by the richer that don't even risk nothing, just make moneys out of moneys.

Most of the medias and the banks are big parts of this oligarchic control system, and we should fight it with new forms, maybe internet could help, but also internet companies live out of pubblicity, i guess we will fight better with non profit medias, and much patience

ANTI , no side after all there prime concern is THERE wallet .
Lobbyist and stuff organized crime.

Considering the options you gave, I'd say you left out just about everyone I know.  I do however find it interesting you applied the adjective "looney" to being a "lefty."  Does that say anything about your own proclivities?  Like all left wing people are looney?

My politics can't be described in a simple word or phrase.  Actually I hate politics and I see politicians as people who only have to do one thing well, get elected.  And they do whatever it takes to achieve that goal.

I do however have beliefs about what I feel would be best for this country and its citizens.  Fiscally, I believe we need to prioritize spending based on what the citizens want.  I feel we need to eliminate any campaigning (advertising) for political pet projects and just take care of this country and its citizens first.  If there's money left over, pay off the credit cards until we're out of debt then put it in the bank and let it earn interest.  And when there's enough to splurge a bit, we take a little out and treat ourselves to something nice.

Socially I believe in the same civil rights for all.  No one deserves any more or less rights and/or privileges (unless they committed a crime against their fellow human being.)  I believe in the Principles of Democracy.  I believe civil rights should never be up for a vote.

I also feel we need to put an end to campaign donations and an end to lobbying.  Both allow our elected officials to be swayed by the rich and powerful.  And they don't make up the majority of this country.  But they sure have screwed it up a lot.

Quote from: Julie Marie on December 02, 2011, 09:28:00 AM
I do however find it interesting you applied the adjective "looney" to being a "lefty."  Does that say anything about your own proclivities?  Like all left wing people are looney?

Here in Oz  -  ABSOLUTELY.  All us lefties are loonies for sure.  LOL

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Quote from: Julie Marie on December 02, 2011, 09:28:00 AM
Considering the options you gave, I'd say you left out just about everyone I know.

I don't think there are enough poll options for that kind of open mindedness.

QuoteI do however find it interesting you applied the adjective "looney" to being a "lefty."  Does that say anything about your own proclivities?  Like all left wing people are looney?

Actually yes.

Were the unions and women's suffrage of the early 20th century looney? No.

Is the left looney today? 100% of them, and I brook zero compromise on that percentage.

I used to be a lefty looney. I'm still looney, I've just dropped the lefty. However I still clique with leftys even though I now disagree with them. I don't clique with conservatives. I clique with some far right(of course with a strained relationship considering who I am lol).

QuoteMy politics can't be described in a simple word or phrase.  Actually I hate politics and I see politicians as people who only have to do one thing well, get elected.  And they do whatever it takes to achieve that goal.

I hate politics too. not only the politicians, but the very essence of politics which is to divide people in two (and only two) groups. Politics to me, is choosing one of two sides and then compromising all your core principles and values in order to oppose the opposition.

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I do however have beliefs about what I feel would be best for this country and its citizens.  Fiscally, I believe we need to prioritize spending based on what the citizens want.  I feel we need to eliminate any campaigning (advertising) for political pet projects and just take care of this country and its citizens first.  If there's money left over, pay off the credit cards until we're out of debt then put it in the bank and let it earn interest.  And when there's enough to splurge a bit, we take a little out and treat ourselves to something nice.

Socially I believe in the same civil rights for all.  No one deserves any more or less rights and/or privileges (unless they committed a crime against their fellow human being.)  I believe in the Principles of Democracy.  I believe civil rights should never be up for a vote.

I also feel we need to put an end to campaign donations and an end to lobbying.  Both allow our elected officials to be swayed by the rich and powerful.  And they don't make up the majority of this country.  But they sure have screwed it up a lot.

Re: the bold. If we could do that, we might be able to have a democracy.

poll options

Looney lefty

Rabid right wing

And I just thought of...

Compromising conservative.

Kia Ora Fiona,

I would have to say the Greens-I live it[in regards to the environment] eat it[I'm vegetarian], voted for the Green party this election, and in the passed I often smoked it ! So yeah I'd have to say "Green" ...

Metta Zenda

Actually, there really isn't any left left in politics.  The Democrats have moved to where the Republicans used to be and the Republicans have moved into the insane asylum.  You only need to watch the Republican presidential debates to know that.   

Quote from: Julie Marie on December 02, 2011, 05:26:23 PM
Actually, there really isn't any left left in politics.  The Democrats have moved to where the Republicans used to be and the Republicans have moved into the insane asylum.  You only need to watch the Republican presidential debates to know that.

Kia Ora Julie,

Well if my "eyes" don't deceive me, according to your eye colour you're also a "Greenie" ....

Metta Zenda

Quote from: Julie Marie on December 02, 2011, 05:26:23 PM
Actually, there really isn't any left left in politics. 

There never really has been. Only opportunity masquerading as socialism.

Quote from: Julie Marie on December 02, 2011, 05:26:23 PM
Actually, there really isn't any left left in politics.  The Democrats have moved to where the Republicans used to be and the Republicans have moved into the insane asylum.  You only need to watch the Republican presidential debates to know that.

And those on the right say the exact opposite.  The Republicans are where the democrats were 25 years ago and the democrats are so far left that they are facing backwards... 

Quote from: Zaria on December 02, 2011, 11:48:27 PM
And those on the right say the exact opposite.  The Republicans are where the democrats were 25 years ago and the democrats are so far left that they are facing backwards...

You know what that means don't you? Republicans and democrats are the same. Whoever Goldman Sachs is donating the lions share of campaign money, will be the next president.

Incidentally, the far right and the far left want basically the same things.

Both against foreign wars

Both want better wages and living conditions for the people

Both want a more cohesive society

Both are against zionism

The problems are consistent. However, their solutions are the opposite.

Quote from: Dàwkbua on November 15, 2011, 08:09:23 AM
I am anti-capitalist, anti-consumerist. I believe in from each according to their means to each according to their needs.

Ditto  freedom to make money can be construed as freedom to rip off your fellow human

Quote from: Julie Marie on December 02, 2011, 05:26:23 PM
Actually, there really isn't any left left in politics.  The Democrats have moved to where the Republicans used to be and the Republicans have moved into the insane asylum.  You only need to watch the Republican presidential debates to know that.

Isn't that the trth

Quote from: Medusa on November 15, 2011, 08:48:53 AM
I believe in free capitalism with as less state intervention as possible (no limits, no allowances, no need of health or retirement insurance etc, I can manage my money much more effective than state)

You sound like the tea party which is freedom to rip off as many people as possible under the guise of capitalism   RABID RIGHT grrrr

Quote from: Amazon D on December 03, 2011, 06:03:52 AM
You sound like the tea party which is freedom to rip off as many people as possible under the guise of capitalism   RABID RIGHT grrrr

The far right are actually against capitalism. It's the middle right that's into ripping everyone off, just like the middle left, and the far left for that matter.

It's amazing how little everyone seems to know about the right. The far right, like the far left, is based on principles not opportunism.

Of course in practice they both get hijacked by opportunists.

Far right example: Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe. They aren't really ripping everyone off , just ripping everyone up.

I'm not sure where you would put those Republicans who, no matter what impact it might have on the financial strength of this country, staunchly refuse to budge when it comes to allowing tax rates to return the the levels they were when we could actually balance the budget.  I say they are far right.

I'm not sure where you would put those who want to install an electric fence at the Mexican-US border.  They too are Republicans, and some are running for president.  I'd put them as far out.

I've heard some of the wackiest things during the Republican presidential debates.  Yet the one person that actually speaks logic, is only holding about 1% of the votes.  You only have to look at the front runner flavor of the week to realize at least the Republicans being tallied for these polls are in a land far, far away.  And the guy who almost certainly will win the nod is one of the few who have not made it to the top of the polls.

When I think of far right or far left, I think whacky, illogical, nonsensical.  And based on everything I have seen in the past few years, from the Tea Party to the presidential debates, most Republicans qualify.

I know it seems I'm really spoiling for a fight here but I'm just intrigued as to how your minds work on all this. I've been arguing with right wingers on the net for about two years. They do all these muli-quote things and pick at everything you say.
Btw they really argue and argue and the Americans are the most insane, but I believe you lefty Americans are just as crazy. I'm not trying to be nasty, I'm saying all this lightly.

It's interesting to see the other side though. I promise I'll stop soon if people want me to and continue it on socialist sites. Unfortunately the socialist sites I've seen are to insane to bother with. If this was 1910 I'm sure they'd be a lot more sensible.

Quote from: Julie Marie on December 03, 2011, 07:19:23 AM
I'm not sure where you would put those Republicans who, no matter what impact it might have on the financial strength of this country, staunchly refuse to budge when it comes to allowing tax rates to return the the levels they were when we could actually balance the budget.  I say they are far right.

I'm not sure where you would put those who want to install an electric fence at the Mexican-US border.  They too are Republicans, and some are running for president.  I'd put them as far out.

It's quite reasonable and normal for a country to defend it's borders. What you have going on in The states with your southern border is way out and abnormal.

It's normal to give asylum to refugees but having an open border?   That's not left, right or middle. That's people in charge of your country who want more and more workers for cheaper and cheaper pay. And republicans will never protect your southern border.

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I've heard some of the wackiest things during the Republican presidential debates.  Yet the one person that actually speaks logic, is only holding about 1% of the votes.  You only have to look at the front runner flavor of the week to realize at least the Republicans being tallied for these polls are in a land far, far away.  And the guy who almost certainly will win the nod is one of the few who have not made it to the top of the polls.

When I think of far right or far left, I think whacky, illogical, nonsensical.  And based on everything I have seen in the past few years, from the Tea Party to the presidential debates, most Republicans qualify.

I do not live in usa.
Anyway your poll is to much influenced by your distorted perception of politics.

You can say that conservatives and left people are similar, but this is wrong. Don't judge politic by what they claim but do it considering what they've done.

Right people, almost everywhere in the world, don't support equal rights for us, are against social equity measures, defend rich people from a more right taxation, are against foreign people integration into society.

On these subjects left is just the opposite.

Right people are the ones that lead us, from Reagan to bush, to this actual economic crysis, where asian countries gained importance trough an illogic externalization of the work power, and now rule the world, where people makes just money out of money, only playing in the financil markets, in the sake of the ones who trie to build industries without ny money.

>> Right people, almost everywhere in the world, don't support equal rights for us, are against social equity measures, defend rich people from a more right taxation, are against foreign people integration into society. <<

Thats because you make the same mistake that most people do.  You don't separate social right/left and economic right/left.   I know many people who are very much economic 'right' who support equal rights for all and are supportive of immigration.  I am one of them. 
Capitalism may not be perfect, but it is more 'fair' than any other system out there. 

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Zaria