Quote from: Colleen Ireland on December 03, 2011, 10:30:08 PM
My point exactly. I, for one, am a computer programmer, but nobody would call me nerdy.

How are you sure they wouldn't?

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 03, 2011, 10:14:29 PM
Not really. A lot of the types here wouldn't be caught dead at Power Exchange or DIVAS. Most of the transwomen here are like computer programmers and nerdy. They reflect the large "silent" community which seems to be getting a large amount of exposure as of late.

And that was her point.  Most of us wouldn't be at a drag club because as she said we're normal everyday people.  You don't have to be into drag to be a transsexual woman.  Even you yourself said "They reflect the large "silent" community." 
Also how many of us live where there is no such local outlet?  We have 1 gay club in the area and it serves for all of LGBT.  I'm sure there are areas where you would have to drive to get to even that type of club.  Are you saying that there are no transsexuals there?

This whole ->-bleeped-<-r than thou idea that pops up every so often is a ridiculous idea that is HURTING our community.  We're already a very small minority we can't afford to fight amongst ourselves.

And just what is wrong with 'computer programmers' 

ive seen that hierarchy (for the most part) played out on Susan's during two different events. It's a nasty hierarchy to be sure.

Quote from: Annah on December 03, 2011, 10:42:24 PM
ive seen that hierarchy (for the most part) played out on Susan's during two different events. It's a nasty hierarchy to be sure.

One was when I called for respect over being a non op.

I don't care either way about the heirarchy...I can turn off my computer and resume  to normal life. Some of us are nerds, some of us used to be gay man, some are more femme than others. Doesn't give anyone else an advantage over anyone else.

Quote from: Jeneva on December 03, 2011, 10:35:29 PM

And just what is wrong with 'computer programmers' 

Nothing. Just we come from different places on the trans scale.

welll i admit to being a nerd - i love video games!!!

and speaking of divas, I am going there tonight myself. should be interesting!

Quote from: MsDazzler on December 03, 2011, 11:06:15 PM
welll i admit to being a nerd - i love video games!!!

and speaking of divas, I am going there tonight myself. should be interesting!

Oh.... got pics?

unfortunately, the ones at the top of that hierarchy who think they're all that and a bag of chips are blinded by the fact that they are considered lowest of the low in terms of the larger hierarchy of being a "real man" or "real woman." so, the only hierarchy i follow is my own.

  Unknown where I am placed on this and I don't care. 
  I'm transgender.  Not by choice.
  I'm non-op.  I cannot afford any surgery of any kind with my limited income.
  I'm on HRT.  This does a lot to quell my dysphoria and actually improved my physical health.  I'm not going off of it anytime soon.
  I have not crossdressed during this attempt....Yet.
  I have not been called by a female pronoun by anyone outside the TG community.  I'm too old to care about what others address me as.
  To me there shouldn't be any hierarchy here.  Just those that are more experienced in this process who can advise the rest of us through it.
  Meow.
  Joelene 

I'm on top and it feels good. 

Quote from: FullMoon19 on December 04, 2011, 01:17:21 AM
unfortunately, the ones at the top of that hierarchy who think they're all that and a bag of chips are blinded by the fact that they are considered lowest of the low in terms of the larger hierarchy of being a "real man" or "real woman." so, the only hierarchy i follow is my own.

Getting the surgery doesn't make someone else better than anyone, nor does prancing around on a stage.

You mean the cisgender heirarchy?

I'm sure there some people that are elitist,  But I want to go Op,  and I'll probable ghost after.  I mean going post op for me will be more because I just want to be a girl.  I don't want to beheld up as trans.  Just a girl.  So I figure the girls that stick around after are in it for more complicated reasons.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 04, 2011, 01:23:18 AM
Getting the surgery doesn't make someone else better than anyone, nor does prancing around on a stage.

You mean the cisgender heirarchy?

right, i meant cisgender.  since there's more cisgender people than transgender, the larger society isn't convinced our genders are "real."

Quote from: FullMoon19 on December 04, 2011, 02:21:26 AM
right, i meant cisgender.  since there's more cisgender people than transgender, the larger society isn't convinced our genders are "real."

And yet we tear each other apart with rusty hooks. I mean society is finally accepting gay people, if you ignore the suicides.

Quote from: FullMoon19 on December 04, 2011, 02:21:26 AM
right, i meant cisgender.  since there's more cisgender people than transgender, the larger society isn't convinced our genders are "real."

Oddly enough, nobody in the larger society ever said I wasn't real. That only happens on transgender forums.

You can get srs and not know how to socialize as a woman.

True that, and I've seen people who work the street the other way only to find out that once you're 'one of the boys' they really don't act any nicer to you and they are not going to change the rules for you.

Really, this stuff only works in two ways.  One, it's lets people who have terminally low-esteem issues have one more issue, and it lets deluded people have one more delusion.  Other than that I think most people just ignore it and since I never see it play out in real live I just assume it's some sort of 'blog' thing and that makes it even easier to ignore..

Any time one looks down on the other is because of insecurity within one self. Pretentious behavior and prejudice are the fruit of such fear of others, and fear of self, having unresolved issues. No surprise that transgender folks would fall into a "unresolved issues" category, but it is not reserved only to us but also to the entire population at hand.
I would suspect that in fact transgender population has way lower instance of such behavior because we had been exposed to prejudice our selves and know how much it can hurt, therefore, grow more tolerant and accepting.

I for one accept any form of human expression because I know that acceptance is the most basic of human needs. This isn't to say that I am any sort of a saint NO, in fact I do have moments of doubt, and seeing a crossdresser making no effort to seem at the least feminine and then making a comment to me about me wearing jeans and not "the proper attire such as a dress" drives me nuts at first! But then I smile, perhaps say "it isn't clothes which make the woman" and resume the conversation wanting to know more about the person and perhaps their story and why the world is the way it is.

Quote from: Jennifer.L on December 04, 2011, 02:09:12 AM
  So I figure the girls that stick around after are in it for more complicated reasons.

Some who are post op are here to support others and to be a voice against those others who feel it is best that they can forcefully try to label someone based upon their own convictions.

http://transgirldiaries.com/?p=123

Quote from: Sunnynight on December 04, 2011, 11:23:06 AM

http://transgirldiaries.com/?p=123

that is what some people follow on here. anyway, how does one manage to be an XX intersexed transsexual? there's also such thing as trisomy x. when some has three x chromosomes, which makes them more womanly than cisgender women. gemma ward has it.