Homophobia Associated with Penis Arousal to Male on Male Sex
Published on June 9, 2011 by Nathan A. Heflick in The Big Questions

Even a man who thought that women want to have sex with their fathers, and that women spend much of their lives distraught over their lack of a penis is right sometimes. This person, the legend that is Sigmund Freud, theorized that people often have the most hateful and negative attitudes towards things they secretly crave, but feel that they shouldn't have.

If Freud is right, then perhaps men who are the most opposed to male homosexuality have particularly strong  homosexual urges for other men.  FULL STORY

Whoda thunk?

Does this also mean transphobic people secretly want to transition?

No it means that 50% of males are attracted to the pheromones of their mothers and sisters underwear and get aroused by wearing the stuff and then carry a burden of internal shame because of this.
Add to this is the thought that maybe doing this means they really are homosexual which adds another layer of guilt.
Add to that most GMs will spend a lot of time looking at porn from a very early age and probably think that the GGs in the porn films enjoy non-stops sex and multi orgasms from having a vagina and toy with the idea that their single shot penis should be replaced with a repeater vagina and resent those of us who do so.
add all these and its no wonder there is so much transphobia among the males we grow up with.

But to confirm Freud's homosexuality theory I worked for a guy who was always sneering about this or that guy being effeminate, etc etc then it turned out he was one of the men who met in a barn in the woods for mutual sex sessions.

It's called reactance. I've never heard it attributed to Freud before, but it's widely observed and documented. It does of course not imply that all homophobes are secretly gay.

tests have shown that when homophobes are put in front of gay porn they show all the signs of inner arousal.
whether they would enthusiatically take the place of one of the porn actors can't be known but I'm inclined to think that they would - especially if they could do it in secret.

You are talking pseudoscience, and so is the article linked in the original post. What studies, and who are you, or anyone else, to decide what people's signs of inner arousal are? Talking crap about homophobes may sound harmless, even justified, but remember that it's the exact same kind of reasoning that is the cause of homophobia and transphobia in medicine and psychology. One notable example is ->-bleeped-<-.

"Fruit machines" and penile plethysmographs are hokum devices and prove nothing about anyone's sexuality, especially with the extremely bad methodology of the experiment.
http://www.tsroadmap.com/info/plethysmograph.html

What Sigmund Freud contributed to psychology is actually listening to the patients and acknowledging their experiences. I wish the neo-Freudians could focus more on that and less on all his wacky theories. Freud even said it himself, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

In any case, it's stupidly easy for some men to get aroused - as Xander says in Buffy, when asked whether looking at weaponry turns him on, "I'm 16 - looking at linoleum turns me on..."

So to me, all this study shows is that when men are shown images of some kind of sexual act, they get a hard-on. This means nothing significant at all. It may be that homophobic men get "more" turned on because for them, homoerotic images have more of a taboo charge to them. Who the hell knows.

And these false conclusions also feed into the harmful myth that kids who are sexually abused are somehow culpable if they get turned on during it. Getting turned on as a male is just what happens a lot because of testostyranny.

And erections (of the penis or clitoris) are related, but independent from sexual arousal.

Quote from: Rain Dog on December 07, 2011, 04:40:02 AM
And erections (of the penis or clitoris) are related, but independent from sexual arousal.

Hum, and how true for some time post-op MtF,
see my thread: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,110395.0.html

:-)
Axelle

Both Yes and No.

It is indeed a proven fact that many homophobic males may actually be sexually attracted to males themselves, such as in the case of the 14 Anti-Gay Activists that later on was caught with their pants down with other guys.

However, this only accounts for a portion of the homophobes, not everyone. Some of them just don't like homosexuals without any legitimate reason at all, other than just being hating individuals, while others dislike them not because of their sexual orientation in itself but because of the attitude many gay people has.

Unfortunately I must asdmit that I myself has sometimes succumbed to such views aswell, because of crappy experiences with gay people, and unfortunately to an extent, still do, although I constantly try to remind myself that everyone is different and not the same even in a Community and holding a negative view towards a whole group only because of what some of them do, is highly unfair.

Sometimes, however, I have wondered if selfproclaimed transsexuals that hates transvestites(As some of them do), may be closet transvestites themselves but consider it being "finer" posing as transsexuals.
On the other hand, those aswell, could ofcourse also just had crappy experiences.

Anyway, it is true in some cases but not true in others.

It would be interesting, by the way, to see what research would give regarding homophobic females, for although they are proportionally fewer, they do indeed exist aswell.

Which, by the way, gave rise to another provoking question: Are heterophobic gay people secretly turned on by heterosexuals?

This thread reminded me of this video I saw a while back.
I thought it was pretty interesting.

Quote from: Rain Dog on December 07, 2011, 04:13:59 AM
You are talking pseudoscience, and so is the article linked in the original post. What studies, and who are you, or anyone else, to decide what people's signs of inner arousal are? Talking crap about homophobes may sound harmless, even justified, but remember that it's the exact same kind of reasoning that is the cause of homophobia and transphobia in medicine and psychology. One notable example is ->-bleeped-<-.

The research I have seen was very carefully done and not using plesmythingies. 
Far too many homophobes have been caught in homosex for the theory to be false.
If it offends you that is just too bad.   But facts is facts.

Quote from: lilacwoman on December 07, 2011, 02:54:35 AM
tests have shown that when homophobes are put in front of gay porn they show all the signs of inner arousal.

I'm not sure that's true for all homophobic men, but it is true for all homophobic Republicans.

Were those last two words redundant?

Quote from: lilacwoman on December 07, 2011, 01:40:40 PM

The research I have seen was very carefully done and not using plesmythingies. 
Far too many homophobes have been caught in homosex for the theory to be false.
If it offends you that is just too bad.   But facts is facts.

All I'd have to do is say "...far too many homosexuals have been caught molesting children for the theory to be false", and there'd be a firestorm of criticism.

Yes, there *may be* a connection, but be careful when any report confirms your own bias...it's all too easy to run with it and be made to look foolish.

Quote from: Beth Andrea on December 07, 2011, 05:04:59 PM
"...far too many homosexuals pedophiles have been caught molesting children for the theory to be false"

FIFY

Quote from: Beth Andrea on December 07, 2011, 05:04:59 PM

Yes, there *may be* a connection, but be careful when any report confirms your own bias...it's all too easy to run with it and be made to look foolish.

I don't have a bias.  I was merely stating well researched facts.  Well researched facts are so unacceptable to so many people.

So homophobic men are actually repressed gays? Who would have thought it!

Quote from: justmeinoz on December 08, 2011, 03:51:34 AM
So homophobic men are actually repressed gays? Who would have thought it!

Some of them. Probably. There are so many reasons why someone might be homophobic. Because they've been brought up to be; because of peer pressure; because they were abused as a child... repressed homosexuality is just one possibility, and even if it's a cause, it may not be the only cause (we so love thinking there's "just one big reason" in our society).

In my experience, most homophobic people are not specifically homophobic so much as they're just phobic in general - they have a fear of "other", and homosexuality may or may not be their primary trigger. When this is the case, trying to reason with them about homosexuality misses the point that reason is not involved. As a society we need to cultivate an atmosphere of less fear - whilst in the meantime protecting each other from the consequences of people's fear/hatred.

Quote from: lilacwoman on December 08, 2011, 02:22:39 AM
I don't have a bias.  I was merely stating well researched facts.  Well researched facts are so unacceptable to so many people.

Yes, you have a bias, and that is your inability to accept the possibility that the theory may be false, no matter what you induce from your observations. A fact that cannot be falsified is not a fact, it's just a belief. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiable and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimenter%27s_bias.

And they are not well researched facts either. If these alleged "carefully done" studies indeed exist, you should have no problem posting links to abstracts.

I'm not saying the theory is necessarily false, but the methodology certainly is.

I've no desire to trawl back through all the stuff I've researched over the years as most of it was in the thick books in the university library and may not be online - some is but at $35 a read which I can't afford.

Used to be the round-earthers got killed by the flat-earthers and the sun-centrics got killed by the earth-centrics?

Quote from: lilacwoman on December 08, 2011, 02:22:39 AM
I don't have a bias.  I was merely stating well researched facts.  Well researched facts are so unacceptable to so many people.

Everyone has a bias. The most dangerous ones are those who say they don't have one.