Quote from: Gifted on December 27, 2011, 04:20:08 AM
Whether or not someone has transsexualism is not a factor for me. Having this condition does not differentiate someone from any other member of their gender.

That pretty much sums it up.

I prefer women (AFAB) only.. They're all I've ever dated or been with. Ever! However, FWIW my personal preference would rule out a pre op woman (AMAB), but not automatically a post op woman (AMAB) - but honestly, that would probably be a one off, individual sort of situation..

I disagee with the few guys above me..  IMO, there is a huge difference between trans and non trans people.  I would never date a transwoman and I see nothing wrong with that.

Quote from: Mister on December 27, 2011, 05:28:04 AM
I disagee with the few guys above me..  IMO, there is a huge difference between trans and non trans people.  I would never date a transwoman and I see nothing wrong with that.

What's the huge difference?

I'm most attracted to my boyfriend, who used to be my girlfriend. Though I must say that the thought of being with a cisguy 'scares' me because of the whole dick-thing. But that doesn't change the fact that some guys can get my hormones up.. still prefer women though.

I don't want to be with someone who was socialized and lived a large part of their live as male.  I want to be in a relationship with a woman who wants to have at least one kid (not adopt, foster, whatever...).  I'm attracted to short, slight, damn near dainty women.

Quote from: Nathan90 on December 27, 2011, 07:45:34 AM
I'm most attracted to my boyfriend, who used to be my girlfriend. Though I must say that the thought of being with a cisguy 'scares' me because of the whole dick-thing. But that doesn't change the fact that some guys can get my hormones up.. still prefer women though.

"Gay by nature - proud by choice"?

Kind of contradictory, m'dear.
;p

Really, I'm mostly curious as to whether or not you can explain this, because variations in people's sexual perspectives and tendencies often fascinate me.
:3

Quote from: Mister on December 27, 2011, 07:53:36 AM
I don't want to be with someone who was socialized and lived a large part of their live as male.  I want to be in a relationship with a woman who wants to have at least one kid (not adopt, foster, whatever...).  I'm attracted to short, slight, damn near dainty women.

There are trans women who transition very early,  and cis women who have identified as male during part of their lives. There are trans women and cis women who would love to give birth but can't. And of course there are trans women who meet what you want.

Quote from: Mister on December 27, 2011, 07:53:36 AM
I don't want to be with someone who was socialized and lived a large part of their live as male.  I want to be in a relationship with a woman who wants to have at least one kid (not adopt, foster, whatever...).  I'm attracted to short, slight, damn near dainty women.

Quote from: Nygeel on December 27, 2011, 08:05:46 AM
There are trans women who transition very early,  and cis women who have identified as male during part of their lives. There are trans women and cis women who would love to give birth but can't. And of course there are trans women who meet what you want.

I wouldn't be in a long term committed marriage-type relationship with a woman who couldn't or didn't want to have a kid.  If something happened down the line, that's clearly a different story. 

While it seems many people on this board and the new 'progressive' part of the trans community is down with this whole gender spectrum thing, I'm not a believer in it.  IMO, men are men, women are women, if you're not happy, you swap.  I would find it incredibly hard to believe that many non-queer minded biological women have gone through "hrmmm, maybe i'm a dude..." phases in their lives.

you don't need to understand or approve.  it's my bed, my life, and i'll share them with whoever i choose.

Quote from: Mister on December 27, 2011, 08:18:17 AM
I wouldn't be in a long term committed marriage-type relationship with a woman who couldn't or didn't want to have a kid. 

That makes no sense. It wouldn't be your genetic child whether she had it or you both adopted it. The reason why cisguys want a woman who will have babies is so that it's their(the cisguy's) genetic child.

Quote from: fionabell on December 27, 2011, 03:31:07 PM
That makes no sense. It wouldn't be your genetic child whether she had it or you both adopted it. The reason why cisguys want a woman who will have babies is so that it's their(the cisguy's) genetic child.

Passing on my genetics isn't something I'm interested in, even if I had the physical capacity to do so, but I'm sure the entire male population is happy with your explanation of their desire to have children.  There is nothing wrong with wanting to experience pregnancy and childbirth with your partner, even if you haven't tossed 23 chromosomes into the mix.

 

Quote from: Mister on December 27, 2011, 08:18:17 AM
I wouldn't be in a long term committed marriage-type relationship with a woman who couldn't or didn't want to have a kid.  If something happened down the line, that's clearly a different story. 

While it seems many people on this board and the new 'progressive' part of the trans community is down with this whole gender spectrum thing, I'm not a believer in it.  IMO, men are men, women are women, if you're not happy, you swap.  I would find it incredibly hard to believe that many non-queer minded biological women have gone through "hrmmm, maybe i'm a dude..." phases in their lives.

you don't need to understand or approve.  it's my bed, my life, and i'll share them with whoever i choose.

Fair enough you can believe and sleep with what you want, but can you give a reasoned argument as to why you don't believe in the gender spectrum and that "men are men and women are women?". It would be interesting to hear the basis of a POV which is different to mine.

Fair enough it's a fact that trans women are socialised as male for a certain part of their life, although it's quite subjective as to whether this would actually affect your relationship - what if you fell in love with a woman but found out she is trans - surely the male socialisation is irrelevant because you fell in love with the personality. If it's the case that the MtFs you meet seem different to you compared to GGs and it's apparent to you that they were socialised differently I could understand that, although there's such variation that it wouldn't be the case with every trans woman. However, I find it quite offensive that you infer that trans women are basically cannot be "short, slight, damn near dainty women." I know I'm more slight and petite than many of my genetic female friends and there are trans women who have transitioned even earlier who are as such as well.

QuotePassing on my genetics isn't something I'm interested in, even if I had the physical capacity to do so, but I'm sure the entire male population is happy with your explanation of their desire to have children.  There is nothing wrong with wanting to experience pregnancy and childbirth with your partner, even if you haven't tossed 23 chromosomes into the mix.

So it isn't because you can't have your genetic child with a trans woman, it's that you want to experience pregnancy and childbirth with your partner? Seems unusual to me personally you'd want it so badly that you would reject somebody who you could love but didn't have a womb, but I guess I can see the logic in that particular argument.

I'm attracted to both but as a ftm I will only get with females. Whether she be a transwoman or a ciswoman depends on how well I get along with her. If a transwoman passes enough for me to see her as a chick then she has as great of a chance as a ciswoman. Just saying.

I am exclusively attracted to cis-females.

Quote from: Mister on December 27, 2011, 04:40:58 PM
Passing on my genetics isn't something I'm interested in, even if I had the physical capacity to do so, but I'm sure the entire male population is happy with your explanation of their desire to have children.There is nothing wrong with wanting to experience pregnancy and childbirth with your partner, even if you haven't tossed 23 chromosomes into the mix.

yo dude, you realize you've already made a bunch of sweeping generalizations about the nature of trans and cis women, yeah? (And jsyk, I've met  "short, slight, damn near dainty" trans women. But thanks for playing~) I'm sure women as a whole are happy with your gross generalizations.

I'm not really attracted to anyone. There's no option for that.

It seems to be more complicated lately. I know for sure I like cis-women, and if anyone asks me, I say I am straight. But I am having more appreciation for males in general ever since being on T. I could never be in a relationship with a man, but I think I could have sex with a man depending on who he was. It's not that I haven't considered all of that, I just don't feel like I would want a relationship with a man. This is still all stuff that I have under consideration, but I know for absolute certain I like cis-women, but I am not closed off to anyone else. It's one of those case by case basis.
(as a commercial comes on with the opening line of "I love women")

I am attracted to cis women. I can't say I have never found a trans woman attractive, but I don't know if i could have a relationship with one. I'm attracted to bodies and minds. Anatomy issues could be very hard for me to overcome,if not impossible, even if i really like them.

I'm my experience a lot of trans people seem to be extremely uptight, over sensitive and pc police everything. Or very into gblt culture and stuff. I don't know if we could have the same connection.

A part of me really wants to be a father now. I accept that i will never be able to have biological children. And it does bother me that hypothetical wife and I would have to use another man's sperm, but at least the child will be half my wife. I think it's cool when kids look like their parents. I would like to see my wife in them. I would like to be there at the start, go to ultrasounds, see them develop and grow, feel them swim around, the whole 9 yards.