Quote from: Gifted on December 27, 2011, 04:20:08 AM
Whether or not someone has transsexualism is not a factor for me. Having this condition does not differentiate someone from any other member of their gender.

To me, there is no "cismen", "transmen", etc. Above all, we are just men. Same for females of trans experience.

this.

I'm attracted to the person themselves, regardless of their gender. Every time I've tried to define my sexuality by what genders I'm attracted to at the time, the next person I date never ends up fitting that mold. I stopped caring so much about what genders I'm attracted to and now I have a wonderful boyfriend.

I must say though, sometimes I feel a gendered 'void' in my relationship (like my being is missing out by not dating a femme id'd person or a non-binary person). Fortunately I'm poly and in an open poly relationship, so if the right person comes along then that's no longer an issue.

Quote from: Weston on December 28, 2011, 06:34:25 AM
I'm attracted to the person themselves, regardless of their gender. Every time I've tried to define my sexuality by what genders I'm attracted to at the time, the next person I date never ends up fitting that mold. I stopped caring so much about what genders I'm attracted to and now I have a wonderful boyfriend.

I must say though, sometimes I feel a gendered 'void' in my relationship (like my being is missing out by not dating a femme id'd person or a non-binary person). Fortunately I'm poly and in an open poly relationship, so if the right person comes along then that's no longer an issue.

So is your name Poly or weston i am confused 

Quote from: Amazon D on December 28, 2011, 10:11:11 AM
So is your name Poly or weston i am confused 

Weston. Poly is short for polyamorous.

Exclusively attracted to cismen. Always disliked women and I don't think I can take being with an FTM.

I'm attracted to men, but I'm pretty sure that's because I envy their bodies, and I'm not attracted to women since I despise my female body.
Emotionally I'm more attracted to women because they tend to be more loving and tender.

Quote from: brayden2100 on December 28, 2011, 07:39:40 PM
I'm attracted to men, but I'm pretty sure that's because I envy their bodies, and I'm not attracted to women since I despise my female body.
Emotionally I'm more attracted to women because they tend to be more loving and tender.

I'm the same way but with women. I find myself envious and jealous of their bodies. As of right now, I cant see myself with a man. It might be because the majority of men I know are kind of asses when it comes to dealing with women. I've always been friends with girls over boys my whole life, I've just always related better to them.

I'm attracted to MEN, be them cis or trans* or what-have-you. I'm not opposed to dating anyone who is genderqueer or female, though, I just prefer men.

Based on my situation (pre everything ftm and have only done online dating and never even had a real kiss), I am going to go with how I would feel.

I find cismales attractive physically I cannot see myself being in a long term relationship with one because of my horrible dysphoria.  It is nothing against him.  He could be the most perfect man in the world but when it would come to intimate encounters I would get VERY dysphoric knowing that he has something that I want downstairs and he is okay with it.

I think I am most attracted to cisfemales.  I would love to feel the touch of a soft woman one day who could make me feel like more of a man.

Transwoman- I feel like we could connect on a really deep level since we have similar experience of issues being transgendered.

Transmen- Haven't gave it too much thought but same as transwomen I think the deeper thing still applies

I identify as pansexual so whoever I fall for is just who I fall far.  I'd be VERY lucky to find anyone considering my personality is bland, I'm a rather ugly pesstamistic person with little ambition in my life.

just ciswomen :3

Quote from: Assoluta on December 27, 2011, 05:08:10 PM
Fair enough you can believe and sleep with what you want, but can you give a reasoned argument as to why you don't believe in the gender spectrum and that "men are men and women are women?". It would be interesting to hear the basis of a POV which is different to mine.

A reasoned argument?  Is there one supporting the gender spectrum?

QuoteIf it's the case that the MtFs you meet seem different to you compared to GGs and it's apparent to you that they were socialised differently I could understand that, although there's such variation that it wouldn't be the case with every trans woman.

This is absolutely true.  I lived with 4 MTFs for a year, have worked with probably two dozen, am involved in local orgs dealing with trans youth and have met many, many more in the course of my time on this spinning rock both IRL and on the interwebs.  I have yet to meet a single lady that has the same emotional 'feel' as a non trans woman.  Of course, I can still be proven wrong and am open to that.

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So it isn't because you can't have your genetic child with a trans woman, it's that you want to experience pregnancy and childbirth with your partner? Seems unusual to me personally you'd want it so badly that you would reject somebody who you could love but didn't have a womb, but I guess I can see the logic in that particular argument.

It seems unusual to you that I want to have as normal/natural a family as possible?  Uh, why?  Should I limit myself to adoption/fostering only because I can't knock my lady up? 

Quote from: Mister on December 30, 2011, 04:14:18 AM
A reasoned argument?  Is there one supporting the gender spectrum?

The best argument comes from simply observing the world around us. If people are claiming identities that fall outside the socially prescribed model of male and female, how can we objectively deny how they feel? The idea of "men being men" and "women being women", also varies from culture to culture and varies within different time periods. A simple example illustrating this is that pink was originally viewed as a strong, masculine colour and blue was a feminine colour. The fact that you mention trans women as significantly different to cis women and have a different "emotional feel" is one example demonstrating such variation. I could go on but that's the basics of the point of view I hold.

QuoteThis is absolutely true.  I lived with 4 MTFs for a year, have worked with probably two dozen, am involved in local orgs dealing with trans youth and have met many, many more in the course of my time on this spinning rock both IRL and on the interwebs.  I have yet to meet a single lady that has the same emotional 'feel' as a non trans woman.  Of course, I can still be proven wrong and am open to that.

Fair enough if this is your experience so far, what may be interesting is if you met a trans woman but were not aware of her past, it's possible that you may then perceive her through a different perceptive 'filter'.

QuoteIt seems unusual to you that I want to have as normal/natural a family as possible?  Uh, why?  Should I limit myself to adoption/fostering only because I can't knock my lady up?

I didn't say it was unusual for you to have a normal/natural family, that's something completely understandable. I said it was unusual to use it as a basis to reject somebody that you were in love with. From another viewpoint I could ask why do you limit yourself to a "normal/natural" family only because your partner can't get pregnant.

I guess it's a case of differing views. If I couldn't have children with my partner in whatever way I wouldn't reject them if I truly loved them, I'd try to find the best way through it, but there are those that think otherwise.

It's okay, Assoluta. Mister likes what he likes.

I'm into men only.

QuoteA simple example illustrating this is that pink was originally viewed as a strong, masculine colour and blue was a feminine colour.

And this has exactly what to do with the tea in china?  "Oh gee, I have blue shirts hanging in my closet.  This means I have a somewhat feminine identity?"  Come on.

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Fair enough if this is your experience so far, what may be interesting is if you met a trans woman but were not aware of her past, it's possible that you may then perceive her through a different perceptive 'filter'.

This has happened.  I was unaware for several weeks but still she stood out to me.

QuoteI didn't say it was unusual for you to have a normal/natural family, that's something completely understandable. I said it was unusual to use it as a basis to reject somebody that you were in love with. From another viewpoint I could ask why do you limit yourself to a "normal/natural" family only because your partner can't get pregnant.

Everyone has reasons to date or not date a perspective partner-- religious, moral or political views, physical attraction, etc etc etc....   If I met a woman who said she didn't want a family, I wouldn't pursue a relationship since her viewpoint on something so critical is diametrically opposed to that of my own.  Ten years ago I'd have said that it doesn't matter and that love will conquer all blah blah...   but part of a happy, healthy relationship means accepting that you cannot change your partner nor can you short change yourself.  I wouldn't date an alcoholic.  I wouldn't date someone with a criminal record.  I wouldn't date someone who was pro life, anti-lgbt rights or advocated for putting religion back in our schools.  Why would I date a woman who didn't want to have children?  And if she wanted desperately to have genetic carbon copies, I wouldn't expect nor want her to date me.

Im attracted to women, and have only ever been with women.
I must admit, Im not into genderqueer or types that arent on the typical binary scale.

Quote from: Mister on December 30, 2011, 10:53:44 AM
And this has exactly what to do with the tea in china?  "Oh gee, I have blue shirts hanging in my closet.  This means I have a somewhat feminine identity?"  Come on.

That wasn't my point. I said it was a "simple example" as it illustrated the point that perception of the 'reality' of gender changes within different times and different cultures. That was the point, not for colours to necessarily reflect gendered identities.

QuoteThis has happened.  I was unaware for several weeks but still she stood out to me.

Fair enough if that was the case that time around.

QuoteEveryone has reasons to date or not date a perspective partner-- religious, moral or political views, physical attraction, etc etc etc....   If I met a woman who said she didn't want a family, I wouldn't pursue a relationship since her viewpoint on something so critical is diametrically opposed to that of my own.  Ten years ago I'd have said that it doesn't matter and that love will conquer all blah blah...   but part of a happy, healthy relationship means accepting that you cannot change your partner nor can you short change yourself.  I wouldn't date an alcoholic.  I wouldn't date someone with a criminal record.  I wouldn't date someone who was pro life, anti-lgbt rights or advocated for putting religion back in our schools.  Why would I date a woman who didn't want to have children?  And if she wanted desperately to have genetic carbon copies, I wouldn't expect nor want her to date me.

That is true, not WANTING to have children would be a much bigger issue and something that would seriously compromise the relationship. As I mentioned before, I think it's just a case of differing views as I would be willing to find other ways to have children, even if it was a 'second best' option, but people are free to think otherwise. This is the only truly understandable point for me personally as it's based on something objective - a GG (normally) has a womb and can become pregnant and a TS woman doesn't have a womb. However, when it comes to personality or aura, or how they were socialised, these are subjective and varied things, and while many TS women may give off a certain "vibe" and would not be attractive to you, it is probable that there are a proportion who don't.

I'm not saying you necessarily "ought to like" TS Women but it can pay to be more open to what a TS woman could be and view it as a less black and white issue.

I'm mostly attracted to women in general but, I have to admit, a handsome guy can turn me on.

It's funny, I'm actually not physically attracted to anyone! Are there other asexuals around these parts? But when it comes to close company, I tend to wish for a companion who's softer around the edges, and likes to be cuddled and comforted - which seems more typical among women but certainly isn't restricted to either gender.

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I'm not saying you necessarily "ought to like" TS Women but it can pay to be more open to what a TS woman could be and view it as a less black and white issue.

I'm open minded to trans women.  I'm open minded to black women.  I'm open minded to tall women. Repeat ad nauseum.

Doesn't mean I have ever been attracted to them.

I'm attracted to women, cis or trans. I can also find men attractive, but it's more a "I wish I was like that" than a "marry me :3" feeling.