im being dead honest here, but intelligence, humour, kindness, and self esteem turns me on the most. If someone is smart (booksmart and commonsense smart), humourous, and don't feel sorry for oneself I can utterly fall in love with that person regardless of gender presentation, gender biology, etc etc

So, I cannot vote. The Poll is too limiting.

Quote from: Mister on December 30, 2011, 04:14:18 AM
I have yet to meet a single lady that has the same emotional 'feel' as a non trans woman. 

Would you say that no ftm has the same emotional feel of a non trans man as well?

Quote from: Mister on December 30, 2011, 04:14:18 AM
It seems unusual to you that I want to have as normal/natural a family as possible?  Uh, why?  Should I limit myself to adoption/fostering only because I can't knock my lady up?

I don't understand why with this topic you can't just limit yourself to this and leave it at that.

You're perfectly welcome to date or not date, be attracted to or not, whoever you like.  That's your call and I would never tell you different.  But once you start with this "emotional feel" and "men are men" stuff?  Dude, you are using the same kind of language that cisgender people use to oppress us.  Especially saying there's no gender spectrum - that's deciding people's identities for them and there's no way that's okay.

Quote from: fionabell on December 31, 2011, 03:24:21 AM
Would you say that no ftm has the same emotional feel of a non trans man as well?

This, as well as what Tommy said. How can we as transpeople expect others to love us, accept us, and see as as our true gender, if we can't do the same for other transpeople? To date us as transpeople when we can't do the same?

No trans person will ever have the same emotional feel as a cisman.
We simply can't feel the same because we are different because of what we've gone through and we weren't raised as men from the start.
Saying that has nothing to do with loving and accepting other transmen. Just because you don't 'feel' the same to one person doesn't make you any less of a man.
There's also nothing oppressive about it, imo. I'd like to date a gay guy, because's they know what it's like to be male... in a way, they can teach you or something. Can't explain it very well.

I personally won't date a FTM because of the same reasons as Mister + they're not my taste, just like I won't date some guy that towers above me, or has completely different interests etc.

I'm sorry, but I have to say this....



Mister, weren't you socialized as female?

How are you not part of a gender spectrum since your entire argument implies that someone who has transitioned can never be read quite the same as someone of that bio-sex? What does this say for you as a person? Does this mean that a straight identified biofemale could never accept you as a man and therefore should not want to date you?
These are the types of implications that can be drawn from the things you are saying. You're free to date whoever or whatever you want, but don't try to justify it with difference in "emotional feel" when you have suspicions about someone being trans, because it seems that it may bother you to date someone who is not bio-female. Not dating someone because of their bio-sex is your personal choice - but by implying that it's anything more than a personal choice actually says a lot more about how you should be viewed by society as well.
I've never dated a MTF before either, but I wouldn't dare say that it has anything to do with MTFs if I never do, because it doesn't. It would have everything to do with my personal perception of them.

Quote from: JasonRX on December 31, 2011, 04:21:47 PM

How are you not part of a gender spectrum since your entire argument implies that someone who has transitioned can never be read quite the same as someone of that bio-sex? What does this say for you as a person? Does this mean that a straight identified biofemale could never accept you as a man and therefore should not want to date you?

Way to put words into someone's mouth.

When I'm tired, I want to give up, because I'll never be as good as cis to some people. I'll always be given to the radicals and hipsters, even though I'm no longer cool, no longer interesting, and no longer want to live on the margins.

I'm not always tired.

Quote from: Nezhi on December 31, 2011, 04:58:35 PM
Way to put words into someone's mouth.

If you saw all of what he was saying, that's what it seemed like he was implying.
Sorry. Not putting words into someone's mouth if it sounds like someone is implying something. I never said he actually said these things.