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What price are you willing to pay to transition?

Started by Jayne, July 12, 2011, 08:20:16 AM

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Hikari

I don't want to lose anything, I want to have my cake and eat it too.

Now, i will probably lose alot. I may or may not have already lost my wife, things are complicated there, but I can't blame being trans for that, the issue with that is separate. I am more than willing to lose my family, though I would like to keep my brother as someone I can talk to, that won't be a problem I am sure.

As far as friends go, there are only 2 that matter much, 1 is firmly already on my side, the other, probably won't care, but I know they will talk behind my back, but that is nothing new, male or female they do that with everyone they know. If it became an issue, I could deal with losing the other friend.

But, in the end I don't have much choice but to transition, I know I will never be happy without it.
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Jayne

Quote from: Hikari on July 23, 2011, 12:01:43 PM
I don't want to lose anything, I want to have my cake and eat it too.

in the end I don't have much choice but to transition, I know I will never be happy without it.

I know what you mean about wanting to have your cake & eat it, I would love to transition & not lose anything but on the flip side of the coin i'd hate not to transition & keep everything & everyone as i'd lack the most important thing in life. . . . . happiness, i'd rather deal with the misery of losing everything that I hold dear than the misery of being trapped in this cage that is my body.
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Jayne

Quote from: Stephe on July 23, 2011, 11:13:03 AM

I can't base my life and hide my identity on the fact occasionally during transition someone might giggle? O.o

My number one rule in life is that you shouldn't laugh at others unless you're willing to laugh at yourself, it's my ability to laugh at myself that keeps me going no matter what comes my way so I say let them point, giggle & laugh, they can do it to my face or behind my back as I don't care because i'm pursuing the most important thing in life, happiness
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JoshuaKael

I would give up my job.
The place I live.
All of my friends.
Most of my family.
My pets.
Any money that I had.
I'd give up most of my sanity. (Sometimes I feel that I've already done that.)
I'd give up the majority of my life to live happily as a male.
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Sweet Blue Girl

I would give up anything.
and I really do think that this way is the only way it can be done, accepting in my mind, that nothing is more important, and all the other experiences are temporary, all the other dreams cease to exist if they go against this purpouse of serenity.
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Raya

I didn't know I was trans, but I always knew on some level I'd be facing this choice. I took the coward's way out and never built up anything to begin with. My entire life, I never let anyone get close to me for fear they'd turn on me.

A decade of suicidal depression shows just how smart that plan was.

So I guess I decided to prepay mine. I'm kind of backwards that way. :P
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King Malachite

This is a really hard question.  I am willing to give up my friends.  That's no problems since I don't have many and we barely speak.  I'm 19 and never had a job yet so I can't answer from that standpoint right now.  I am willing to lose my family and even at the expense that I am kicked out of their will and I am willing to lose the only love I have to help pay for it and that would be video games.  I'm willing to be harassed at other people's expense.
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fionabell

I'm willing to give up my attractiveness to women.
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lindsey26

I don't know so much about the willing part but from the way that I was looked at even though I was only dressed middle way of the gender spectrum at x-mas with cousins I will probably loose some of my extended family but I don't personally care about that part of the family. I only see them every 2-3 years anyway but if it means me being happy or me being upset with myself whatever it takes for me to be happy. I'm planning to quit this job after finding a better job and making more money in my future anyway so my current job and some family and my apartment I can find other places to live. Don't have any real attached friends so thats easy to give up friendship, my sanity is already gone so big deal with sanity being gone I make it through life without sanity anyway. Don't have a whole lot of money so do what I can with what I got and go as far as I can as I make money do more.
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Dani0621

I'm giving up the military, and likely a good chunk of my friends from that time.  I still hold out ope that many of the will surprise me, since I think the homophobia (and by extension, transphobia) in the military is largely macho posturing instead of real malice (though I've seen that as well).  Still, hope for the best, prepare for the worst.


This has been my bedrock and purpose for living for the last six years.  It's hard to give up.  "War is a force that gives us meaning" in ways I don't think civilian life will ever capture. But living for war is ultimately self destructive I've come to feel.

Jessica B

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RhinoP

Personally, I find that old-time phrases like "Can't have your cake and eat it too." are absolutely meaningless. If I wanted to, I could bake a cake, eat half of it, save half of it, do whatever I want to with it; it's my cake and I live in America, which is thankfully a country that permits me to have a hayday with whatever cake I bake. Same with transitioning; I have never made a mistake concerning Transitioning, I've never caused someone to pop out a child, I've never been married, I've never broken up with someone, I've never gotten into debt or got into trouble with the law, never joined the military, haven't chosen an incorrect school path...it's because literally, I have the ability to plan ahead more than all the people who make these mistakes and regret them later, despite me having gone through just as much emotional abuse and pressure to conform as anyone else. I literally have the free range to do whatever I want to with my life (with the exception of affording it all), and I plan on doing just that without a single negative - if any negatives happen, it'll be because someone else broke the law against me and I'll be able to sue them (sadly, it hasn't been that easy with two doctors who have maimed my face while drunk during FFS procedures because our laws protect doctors like crazy, but oh well.)

Its just one huge reason so many people on this forum can't stand me, and it's because more than most people, I don't make mistakes and I have such an open playing field. So many people internalize the guilt from divorcing a wife or abandoning a child, and then put that negativity on my intentions to have a few facial surgeries and get put on hormones, just because it'll add something positive to my life, a life that someone else will never achieve after years of marriage, divorce, religion, debt, military, masculine aging, confusing therapy, or whatever. It's more than this entire forum, my family, my friends, the entire world is against me, I've never had one person, in my entire life, who, concerning anything, has said "I support you on that and I'm going to help you in whatever way I can." Wether its parents paying for college, a best friend helping out a roommate, a dead grandma giving someone a car, an uncle giving their nephew a job, I've never had any of that, and it's because either A. I was born into a really unlucky family situation, and B. So many people are jealous of how I don't make mistakes that are designed to hold me back, and they literally want me to conform to what mistakes they've made because their happiness is based on denial. However, I plan on having my cake, eating it, saving some for later, eating again, pooping it out, and continue to bake cakes for the rest of my life. I'm not conforming to anyone's old fashioned beliefs and I'm not going to have any prices to pay.
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Devlyn

"I don't make mistakes" You'll be eating those words someday, I hope they make a nice cake. Hugs, Devlyn
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Semiopathy

The law of identity does not permit you to have your cake and eat it, too. Whatever portion of cake is consumed, you no longer have that portion. The law of causality does not permit you to eat your cake before you have it.
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Felix

Wow R&T that's a pretty intense way to live. Like walking a tightrope, I imagine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis
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Devlyn

By the way, R&T Place, posting that joining the military is a mistake directly under two soldiers posts is a classic case of putting your foot in your mouth. It seems to me that exhibiting inconsiderate behaviour like that could cause people to become offended or dislike you. Just my opinion, hugs, Devlyn
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stldrmgrl

Quote from: R&T-Place on January 07, 2012, 05:21:12 PM
Personally, I find that old-time phrases like "Can't have your cake and eat it too." are absolutely meaningless. If I wanted to, I could bake a cake, eat half of it, save half of it, do whatever I want to with it; it's my cake and I live in America, which is thankfully a country that permits me to have a hayday with whatever cake I bake. Same with transitioning; I have never made a mistake concerning Transitioning, I've never caused someone to pop out a child, I've never been married, I've never broken up with someone, I've never gotten into debt or got into trouble with the law, never joined the military, haven't chosen an incorrect school path...it's because literally, I have the ability to plan ahead more than all the people who make these mistakes and regret them later, despite me having gone through just as much emotional abuse and pressure to conform as anyone else. I literally have the free range to do whatever I want to with my life (with the exception of affording it all), and I plan on doing just that without a single negative - if any negatives happen, it'll be because someone else broke the law against me and I'll be able to sue them (sadly, it hasn't been that easy with two doctors who have maimed my face while drunk during FFS procedures because our laws protect doctors like crazy, but oh well.)

Its just one huge reason so many people on this forum can't stand me, and it's because more than most people, I don't make mistakes and I have such an open playing field. So many people internalize the guilt from divorcing a wife or abandoning a child, and then put that negativity on my intentions to have a few facial surgeries and get put on hormones, just because it'll add something positive to my life, a life that someone else will never achieve after years of marriage, divorce, religion, debt, military, masculine aging, confusing therapy, or whatever. It's more than this entire forum, my family, my friends, the entire world is against me, I've never had one person, in my entire life, who, concerning anything, has said "I support you on that and I'm going to help you in whatever way I can." Wether its parents paying for college, a best friend helping out a roommate, a dead grandma giving someone a car, an uncle giving their nephew a job, I've never had any of that, and it's because either A. I was born into a really unlucky family situation, and B. So many people are jealous of how I don't make mistakes that are designed to hold me back, and they literally want me to conform to what mistakes they've made because their happiness is based on denial. However, I plan on having my cake, eating it, saving some for later, eating again, pooping it out, and continue to bake cakes for the rest of my life. I'm not conforming to anyone's old fashioned beliefs and I'm not going to have any prices to pay.

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Wow... just wow.
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KillBelle

To pay for SRS...I had to put up with my mother's nagging, and...it was one hell of a price.
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Constance

@R&T-Place: I don't view my marriage, my children, or my religious experiences with regards to transition as mistakes. Do I regret the divorce? Yes. But the marriage and the children I sired? No.

noeleena

Hi,

I did not transition as trans people do tho you may as well say i did pay & will pay till i drop dead. iv about 20 years to go maybe.

i  knew i would pay in a number of ways just what that ment was 8 years of ....Hell.... one marrage gone . was going to lose one  of two sons  tho after many years  that looks safe . tho you can say as a family we are still tight, still see each other & do have time together,  so yes iv paid to be a woman & even being I S did not make a difference in what we went through & what we have now, or lost,   

was this worth the payout.

..... YES.....because i dont have to prove who i am ,

...noeleena...
Hi. from New Zealand, Im a woman of difference & intersex who is living life to the full.   we have 3 grown up kids and 11 grand kid's 6 boy's & 5 girl's,
Jos and i are still friends and  is very happy with her new life with someone.
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