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Started by Julie Marie, December 20, 2011, 11:38:34 PM

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Julie Marie

Julie and I went to see GWTDT tonight.  Its official opening is tomorrow but some theaters started showing it tonight.  The theater was almost empty. 

For fans of the book,  you may be disappointed.  They made some substantial changes.  Maybe they had to keep the movie under three hours.  I thought they could have glossed over the violence scenes, as you can convey that much easier with video than with text, and included more information about the mystery.

For the record, Julie absolutely hates violence.  She hated much of the movie because of it.  I felt they took it too far and even went beyond what was in the book.

Let's see how it fares in the next few weeks.
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BlonT

Yes  Stieg Larson   to bad he is death :(   read all 3  books .
The others are The girl who kicked the hornets nest and The girl who played with fire.
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Julie Marie

We just watched the Swedish (original) version.  We both thought it was better than the Hollywood version.  I thought Lisbeth was better played, as was Bloomkvist.  Actually most of the characters seemed more real and the story line was more intriguing. 

We watched the English dubbed version so not hearing their real voices was kind of weird.  I think it lost some of the emotion.

I know directors like all this creativity stuff in their movies but it would have been nice to see either version to stick more to the book.  Some aspects of the book should not be changed.
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Keaira



My friends and sisters joke that it's my life story.

My sisters and I went and saw it.  in ' THAT' scene I was thoroughly not amused and really wanted to make that person a reluctant eunuch but in the end he had worse done. which was nice.
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Cindy

I think 99% of people knew that the Hollywood version would be awful. The Swedish version was good but not a touch on the book. A film can never be as good as a book in my opinion. See Lord of the Rings for example.

The violence of 'that' scene has to take place for the sake of the book and the rest of the trilogy.



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Keaira

Quote from: Cindy James on January 07, 2012, 01:26:01 AM
I think 99% of people knew that the Hollywood version would be awful. The Swedish version was good but not a touch on the book. A film can never be as good as a book in my opinion. See Lord of the Rings for example.

The violence of 'that' scene has to take place for the sake of the book and the rest of the trilogy.

Not true! I managed to sit through all 3 LOTR movies where I couldn't get past the first few pages of the first book. ;)

As for 'that' scene, I'm okay with it since it is part of the overall story. I just don't like something like that to emphasized like it was if it's only a footnote in the book.
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Julie Marie

Regarding 'that' scene, the Hollywood version played it out far longer and more graphically than the original version.  I rarely get sick to my stomach watching a fictional movie because I know it's just fiction but the Hollywood version of that scene made me want to get up and leave.  Not only was it visually offensive but it overpowered the story.  The original movie version stayed much closer to the book.

In the book, and both movies, I didn't like Martin running away, out of the house, and taking off in his car.  He's a sadistic serial killer of women and he runs away from a woman who is supposed to be 4'11" and 90 pounds?  That didn't make any sense.  If you're going to stray from the book and create your own scenes, that would have been the first one I would have changed (in italics). 

After Salander knocks Martin to the ground with the golf club, she realizes Bloomkvist is choking to death and runs to save him. 

As Salander is removing the noose around the neck of Bloomkvist, Martin gets up off the floor and attacks Salander from behind.  Salander, well aware of Martin approaching from behind, uses her lightning quick reflexes, spins around and in a second has the noose around Martin's neck.  She then dashes over to the hoist on the wall and quickly cranks the handle, dragging Martin across the floor and lifting him up by his neck, just as Martin had done to Bloomkvist only minutes before.

While Martin is hanging there choking, Salander realizes Bloomkvist is still having trouble breathing.  She goes back to tending to Bloomkvist until he's breathing normally (since shes an information junkie, we'll say Bloomkvist's esophagus was crushed and she knows how to open the airway) then she cuts the ty-wraps on his hands and feet.  A tender moment between them happens and Salander touches Bloomkvist's cheek and smiles, something she rarely does. 

Bloomkvist is coming around, knowing now he's not going to die and that Salander just saved his life.  Then he sees Martin hanging from the ceiling.  He tries to stop it but Salander pushes him back to the floor and tells him, "It's too late.  He got better than he deserved."

They erase all evidence they were in the room and leave Martin hanging, with a small block under his feet, as if he stepped off it to hang himself.  Someone later finds Martin and the death is written up as a suicide.  The story is Martin was no longer able to live with what he had done and he killed himself.  The Vanger family and the police know something else happened in that room.  The Vanger family quashes any further investigation.


Then we return to the where the book picked the story up.

Martin running out of his chamber of horrors, where he had so brutally tortured and murdered so many women, and taking off in his car only to die in a car crash?  I wanted to see Salander take him out.
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juliekins

Good suggestions Julie but it would have turned off the audience to Lisbeth. Like Julie's ending, she did just sit back and watch him die. So in that sense, it was similar, Julie.

I liked the Swedish version better of Martin's demise, than the American film. The Swedish film tied Lisbeth's childhood drama with her father back to Martin's death.

As a child, she took direct action to end the pain and torture. (like Harriet) As an adult, she takes direct action to save Mikael,
but only exerts the necessary force to end Martin's like.  Besides, it's a more subtle approach towards revenge. Martin essentially
ended his own life. (especially so in the book).

Remember that Lisbeth's main interest in helping Mikael is to even the score for women against a killer of women. She wins, and justice wins.
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tekla

The old joke is that someone gives a copy of the New Testement to some Hollywood type and he reads it and hands it back.  The giver asks Mister Hollywood what he thinks of it.  "Well, it's got a lot of potential, but Jesus needs a love interest."  Hollywood is always going to change parts of the story because they know that books and movies are two different things.

And I haven't seen either version yet, (I'm about to start on the second book, so I'll wait till I've finished the third) but as to why he gets into a car all I can think is that no two words in the English language give Hollywood an insti-boner faster than CAR+CHASE, unless it's CAR+CRASH.

And all readers say 'oh the book is better than the movie' - but it's pretty obvious that more people prefer the movie to the book.  A general rule of thumb is that the more the book happens in people's heads the harder it is to put on film - thats' what makes The Shining almost impossible, the best part of the book is what's going on inside a 5-year old kids head and there is no way to film that.  Though, having two versions already I'd like to see Tim Burton do it with Johnny Depp as Jack Torrance.

TGWTDT is very different because he starts out describing the female in largely negative terms, that is, we learn far more about what she is NOT long before we ever get into her head or story to find out why she is in that space.

Though I don't see how you make a movie out of something that is about intense abuse and serial killings that avoids violence.
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~RoadToTrista~

My dad and I were mad when we learned they were making an American version, lolz
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tekla

I'll bet that having an American version ends up helping the number of viewings of the original.
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Julie Marie

And whatever Steig would have earned is going to the father and brother he didn't get along with.  The woman he shared his life with for about 30 years gets bupka.  I'm seeing a made for TV movie on the horizon.
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tekla

That only makes the case for a will.
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nicole19

I saw the older version, but now after reading this thread, I'm going to have to buy me some tickets to see it.
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Julie Marie

Quote from: tekla on January 07, 2012, 06:35:25 PM
That only makes the case for a will.

And it shows you never know when it's time to go so don't put off that will for later.
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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tekla

Agreed, the only reason not to leave a will is if you really want all those people fighting.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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