cis people can make me nervous but we also have to understand that we have allies out there
also i've learned to realize it's not my job to educate anyone
if they want to know something, i tell them to learn themselves.

Quote from: xXRebeccaXx on January 13, 2012, 10:52:58 PM
I hate tribals thinking that they diserve OUR resources. Welcome to the hate train buddy.

What does this mean?

Quote from: Andy8715 on January 13, 2012, 11:53:11 PM
What does this mean?

trolololololol.

For further evidence, refer to some of their other posts.

there are a couple of cis-gendered people I hate, simply because they make my life hell.  But the majority of my friends are cis-gendered.

Yes, why don't we all hate whatever is different from us?

Quote from: Felix on January 13, 2012, 10:48:47 PM
I think you probably posted in anger. I sometimes feel like I hate everybody. Life can get intense, and when it looks like a certain category of human is causing you more problems than others, it can be easy to generalize.

half in anger half in fear.

cause even with those I feel good about, I am scared to trust them fully as people should.

see on another way,
I really like my famely and my mother, my mom have told me she accept me and love me for who I am.
later one she turned all agenst the idea because she dont understand.
I cant blame her for not getting it but still..

I find it very hard to trust people like that, even if they say there okay with it, then there will always be something they wont get,
like they say there okay with trans people but as suden you meet on the boys room they go all fussy about what your doing there or so on.
and cause there cis. I cant blame them cause they wouldnt understand when they havent tried it.

Quote from: Natkat on January 14, 2012, 10:02:55 AM
half in anger half in fear.

cause even with those I feel good about, I am scared to trust them fully as people should.

see on another way,
I really like my famely and my mother, my mom have told me she accept me and love me for who I am.
later one she turned all agenst the idea because she dont understand.
I cant blame her for not getting it but still..

I find it very hard to trust people like that, even if they say there okay with it, then there will always be something they wont get,
like they say there okay with trans people but as suden you meet on the boys room they go all fussy about what your doing there or so on.
and cause there cis. I cant blame them cause they wouldnt understand when they havent tried it.

I think what you mean to say is that you hate ignorant and uneducated people.

If you think about it, everyone has issues in their lives, whether they're trans or not, that not everyone else is going to understand. I can't blame my cis friends for constantly asking things like "well why can't you just go swimming?" without having to explain everything that makes me uncomfortable, because they think of me as a normal person and don't understand the dysphoria. But at the same time I don't understand my friend who used to be bulimic. To me, she looks fine, but to her she has issues with her own body as well, which I just can't understand as someone who's never needed to or tried to lose weight. I also can't always understand what my friend who's in a wheelchair goes through, our group of friends may make plans to go do something and he'll have to remind us that he can't go unless it's wheelchair accessible. We can all try to educate ourselves and learn to sympathize and learn what to do in certain situations, but every person in the world has some sort of challenges in their lives that we may not always be able to relate to.

Just read your own sig, normal people don't exist.

Quote from: Berger on January 16, 2012, 12:46:03 AM
I think what you mean to say is that you hate ignorant and uneducated people.

If you think about it, everyone has issues in their lives, whether they're trans or not, that not everyone else is going to understand. I can't blame my cis friends for constantly asking things like "well why can't you just go swimming?" without having to explain everything that makes me uncomfortable, because they think of me as a normal person and don't understand the dysphoria. But at the same time I don't understand my friend who used to be bulimic. To me, she looks fine, but to her she has issues with her own body as well, which I just can't understand as someone who's never needed to or tried to lose weight. I also can't always understand what my friend who's in a wheelchair goes through, our group of friends may make plans to go do something and he'll have to remind us that he can't go unless it's wheelchair accessible. We can all try to educate ourselves and learn to sympathize and learn what to do in certain situations, but every person in the world has some sort of challenges in their lives that we may not always be able to relate to.

Just read your own sig, normal people don't exist.

its sorta true, even thought theres points I dont understand I guess im pretty lucky in general because I grew up in those diffrent cultural things, where I got to meet alot of diffrent kinds of people.

I guess one of the hardest thing around cis-ones are when you feel diffrent" usunally I been hanging around people who where alittle strange in some way or another, but its kinda hard with those who grew up in complitely "normal" teams, learned how everything where suposed to be, you always feel diffrent or less, around those as you dont really belong in there system they learned, if they do or say something stupid you sorta cant blame them, but at the same way you dont feel like putting special exuses on them. I feel most transgenders are just way to nice forgiving all those stuff, and yet knowing they might not be invited home to famely partys cause the famely would look down on them, but is that really for the best, or do we do it because moral tells us we should be good exemple?

Lately I've been hurt a lot by misgendering from cispeople I used to respect and care about. Maybe I still do respect them, I'm not sure. But I'm even less sure that they respect me.

Quote from: Felix on January 23, 2012, 12:41:22 AM
Lately I've been hurt a lot by misgendering from cispeople I used to respect and care about. Maybe I still do respect them, I'm not sure. But I'm even less sure that they respect me.

I'm very sorry to hear that.
theres those kind of people everywhere, I know alot of people I have a nice time with but if I go deeper then they will be aganst me,
its sorta hard cause you dont notice those things right away. its not like if your black and they can see it already so either they are okay of if they have problems with you being black then you know right away cause you cant hide it.

being trans they might not know your trans or what it means, so its only when the situation comes up you see those point or not.

I hope you have other people beside those who actually respect you.

I began to be frustrated myself, with everyone, cisgender people and all, but then I realized just how much hate their is in the world. Sexism, racism, heightism, homophobiacs, ageism, etc... I became sick and just decided to stop hating because I was so tired of it. I was tired of arguing with myself. I want equality, for everyone. Just my own two cents there.

Hmm.   I suppose as a cis I don't hate these people.  I get incredibly frustrated by them.  I also tend to distance myself from anyone who acts this way.  But in the end people are blind.  If they don't understand something it is very difficult for them to try to figure it out.  For example they say the more Catholics in a city, the better LGBT rights are.   So why is that?  I think it's because the church has had to confront these issues and take a stance.  And many people who are Catholic don't agree with the stance.  So it's merged into a sort of "love the sinner, hate the sin" kind of thing.

Transgender issues seem to be making a lot more headway.  People kinda understand that it's a medical condition.  There are still bigots out there.  But not all cis people are bigots.

I think it might also be a bit of resentment and jealousy.  When I was younger I used to hate this girl who was rich.  Now that I'm older it's really obvious how pathetic I was and jealous.  But at the time I thought I was justified.

well its not a medical condition everywhere, but I see your point.
I guess the frustration would be normal for everyone for the situation. I put alot of work into letting people understand, so I guess it put me more down for that reason.
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I also have a rich friend I once where jelous of, but I dont think the situations is to compare, cause I dont know what people would be jelous about in transgenders. for me it seams more as people being ignorant, or just scared of something diffrent.

No I'm saying you are jealous and resentful of cisgender people because they don't have to deal with these issues.  Life is easier for them.  The same like being poor and having a rich friend.  Life is easier for them.

Quote from: mixie on January 23, 2012, 02:38:13 PM
No I'm saying you are jealous and resentful of cisgender people because they don't have to deal with these issues.  Life is easier for them.  The same like being poor and having a rich friend.  Life is easier for them.

yeah I would admit I am sorta jelous.. however its not really why I would hate or at least not enough.

its the ignorance thing of them not carring, or ignoring.

theres cis-genders people who care for transgender people and I am jelous of them, but I dont hate them, I hate when cis-gender dont care for transgender people, and just look down. 

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