Ok, so I know things have been crazy here on susans with all the gay guy stuff and ->-bleeped-<- related  stuff causing problems. Which has caused me to be really scared to ask this question, And i know most of you will frown on my question and intentions. But I really need to know this! I want to get on hormones for obvious reasons, same as all of you here, I don't think I need to explain. Ok here goes how bad will being on hormones affect me being able to function dowstairs? My dyshoria doesn't have anything to do with my genitals! I am lesbien, have a serious girlfriend I plan to marry, and I like having a built in "toy" for her. We enjoy making love together and it doesn't cause me issues. I really don't want to lose it functioning! I don't care about the not producing sperm thing. Is there a way to make this work? I have read you lose function. Maybe watching the doses of hrt?? I don't know. I don't mean to offend anyone here, sorry if this does! 

Yes I want to present as female! "No one needs to know what's in my panties, only my S.O, my doctor and me! " I read this somewhere and I agree!

Please help any advise or knowledge will be appreciated.

Please no negative judgements, to each there own, we all have different dyshoria and needs/wants, this is mine. Thank you all in advance!

I've been on HRT for about 8.5 months.. And it still works.. Kind of.. It all depends on my mood..

Mine still functions just fine(Minus ejaculation)... It dosen't function on it's own however and most of the time I can't be bothered.

Quote from: MyAlias on January 16, 2012, 03:39:07 AM
I am lesbien, have a serious girlfriend I plan to marry, and I like having a built in "toy" for her.

I don't care about the not producing sperm thing.

Sounds like you haven't started HRT yet, and do you and your girlfriend plan to have children together? You can always "bank sperm" for later.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,111371.msg844021.html#msg844021   (See Reply #32)

Functionality does decrease, but it takes a while.  By then your male sex drive will have been replaced by a female libido and you probably won't care any way.  You could always follow Padma's suggestion on another thread and use a hollow strap-on over it.  Might be worth looking at his thread. 

I guess Viagra or Cialis would still work, so that is an option. Others might have tried that.
It is possible to learn to be orgasmic with stimulation to other parts of the body too, and I know for a fact it is more likely to produce whole-body female type orgasms.  Much better than the other.

Karen.

From what my doc explained to me, libido and "functionality" all rest on how much testosterone you have in your system. Over 3 months, I went down from 20.6 nmol/L (which is high in the normal male range) to 0.67 (which is low in the normal female range) and have over the last month lost my ability to sustain an erection hard enough for penetration. According to my doc, this is entirely a consequence of taking oestrogen. Other doctors may see this differently, I don't know.

It certainly seems from reading posts on Susan's that people's experience varies greatly on hormones - some lose no functionality, some lose all of it, and everything in between. So there's no infallible formula to help you be sure you'll keep your hard if you're going to be on HRT. It's probably worth watching your testosterone level, but if it drops too far it takes quite a while to come back up again after if you change your dosages (and in some cases remains permanently low).

I've found it quite difficult to adjust to this myself, as my girlfriend also enjoyed what I had, and we're both going through a letting-go process (before we try out hollow strap-ons). But the effects on libido can be just as significant as the effects on your hardware. My libido has really dropped, and gone 'female' in the sense that I now find getting turned-on to be a matter of conscious decision rather than "oh, there it is". But the sensation is all very good .

This is a mixture of personal experience/info and stuff I've picked up froom others on here, so I hope it's useful but it's not necessarily gospel.

PS: justmeinoz, that's 'her thread', not 'his thread', if you don't mind .

Smackey fingers for misgendering Padma.  HER thread!! thinking too far ahead as usual.

Sorry.

Well I've been on hormones personally for 2 and abit years now And my function is as discribed in my post above.

Hrmm I notice alot of the Transwomen who claim to loose all function tend to be abit older I wounder if age is a significant factor in loosing that aspect of function?

I'm sure age is one of many possible factors - though of the trans women who've said they are still getting it up fine, many of those are older too, so it's swingers and roustabouts.

It's also possible that state of mind comes into play. Maybe in my case, my mind finally got around to telling my body "hey, that function is about to be deprecated, better stop using it." [bad computer joke with some actual relevance...]

Quote from: Padma on January 16, 2012, 06:21:59 AM
I'm sure age is one of many possible factors - though of the trans women who've said they are still getting it up fine, many of those are older too, so it's swingers and roustabouts.

It's also possible that state of mind comes into play. Maybe in my case, my mind finally got around to telling my body "hey, that function is about to be deprecated, better stop using it." [bad computer joke with some actual relevance...]

No no I assure you I'm no fan of my downstairs parts :/ Hell I'm a technical virgin for that reason not for lack of oppertunity but because it's psychologically jarring thus I tend to ignore the thing most of the time only entertaining such notions out of curiosity or bordom.

After 3 months and a bit, I can still maintain a strong erection, though what comes out is usually clear dribble which isn't even sticky anymore If I wanted to, though, I think I would still be able to penetrate. Although it is true that if I lose even a bit of focus, it goes down. Fast.

I don't mind it, though, my sex drive took a plunge so I feel much better overall. Being horny all the time annoyed me to no end.

Quote from: Beverley on January 16, 2012, 08:11:33 AMMy libido is lower - no question of that, but what I really dislike now is male orgasm. It is like hitting the 'off-switch'.

SO TRUE! The "climatic male experience" is definitely much less intense but the overall "glow" lasts longer ! MyAlias, I think you'll find THE DEMANDS of your girlfriend will eventually become more than you can handle - ya just can't "have yer cake & eat it too" !

Libido is all in your head, really has nothing to do with age or what one is taking but, with that being said as an older pre-op myself and ON for over 6 years, I have found "Casodex" to be less inhibiting than "Spiro" and recently started taking a low dose of progesterone as well. Testes size along with seminal production will go down to absolute zero so sperm banking sooner rather than later would definitely be a wise decision too.

QuoteBicalutamide blocks (as opposed to "acting on" or "inhibiting" T production) androgen receptors. This prevents testosterone and other androgens from binding to the receptors. Bicalutamide may cause sexual difficulties and a decline in sperm count. Nevertheless bicalutamide monotherapy appears to have minimal effect on sexual activity.[17]

Blockade of androgens receptors by bicalutamide in the brain will eliminate the negative feedback loop of testosterone on the release of luteinizing hormone (LH). This in turn will lead to a dramatic increase in  ["free", unbound] testosterone and estrogen levels.[18] Bicalutamide treatment will block the effects of rising testosterone levels, but the effect of rising estrogen levels will remain unopposed and lead to feminizing effects, the most notable one being gynecomastia, which is often painful.[19]

If bicalutamide is combined with an LHRH agonist (we don't do this) or surgical castration then the [natural!] elevation of estrogen levels will be prevented and the risks of excessive estrogen (is there such a thing in our case?) will be reduced.

1.5 years HRT... and everything still works pretty much as before HRT... comes to attention when called, etc.

It's different for everyone. Age and physiology being the two biggest deciding factors I'd wager.

Thank you all for all your responses help and advise! i never thought of sperm banking, but yes thant is a fantastic idea, it made her day to know we could have children in the future.

Quote from: justmeinoz on January 16, 2012, 04:30:44 AM
Functionality does decrease, but it takes a while.  By then your male sex drive will have been replaced by a female libido and you probably won't care any way.  You could always follow Padma's suggestion on another thread and use a hollow strap-on over it.   

I guess Viagra or Cialis would still work, so that is an option. Others might have tried that.
It is possible to learn to be orgasmic with stimulation to other parts of the body too, and I know for a fact it is more likely to produce whole-body female type orgasms.  Much better than the other.

Karen.

I probably won't care, but she will! I don't want to use a strap on if I got it built in!  I am sure it is possible to learn to be orgasmic in other ways, which we will explore but I do enjoy the penetrating her as well, I wont feel it with a strap on!



"I guess Viagra or Cialis would still work, so that is an option. Others might have tried that. "  Has any one tried this?

Quote from: Padma on January 16, 2012, 04:38:22 AM
From what my doc explained to me, libido and "functionality" all rest on how much testosterone you have in your system. Over 3 months, I went down  I guess Viagra or Cialis would still work, so that is an option. Others might have tried that. and have over the last month lost my ability to sustain an erection hard enough for penetration. According to my doc, this is entirely a consequence of taking oestrogen. Other doctors may see this differently, I don't know.

It certainly seems from reading posts on Susan's that people's experience varies greatly on hormones - some lose no functionality, some lose all of it, and everything in between. So there's no infallible formula to help you be sure you'll keep your hard if you're going to be on HRT. It's probably worth watching your testosterone level, but if it drops too far it takes quite a while to come back up again after if you change your dosages (and in some cases remains permanently low).

I've found it quite difficult to adjust to this myself, as my girlfriend also enjoyed what I had, and we're both going through a letting-go process (before we try out hollow strap-ons). But the effects on libido can be just as significant as the effects on your hardware. My libido has really dropped, and gone 'female' in the sense that I now find getting turned-on to be a matter of conscious decision rather than "oh, there it is". But the sensation is all very good .

This is a mixture of personal experience/info and stuff I've picked up froom others on here, so I hope it's useful but it's not necessarily gospel.

PS: justmeinoz, that's 'her thread', not 'his thread', if you don't mind .

Thank you so much Padma, great to hear from experience

Quote from: Maja.V on January 16, 2012, 07:37:56 AM
After 3 months and a bit, I can still maintain a strong erection, though what comes out is usually clear dribble which isn't even sticky anymore If I wanted to, though, I think I would still be able to penetrate. Although it is true that if I lose even a bit of focus, it goes down. Fast.

I don't mind it, though, my sex drive took a plunge so I feel much better overall.  Being horny all the time annoyed me to no end.

Penetration is important to me and her. what do you mean by focus? you have to concentrate to keep it up? I  don't mind being horny all the time.

Quote from: Kiera on January 16, 2012, 08:15:42 AM
  MyAlias, I think you'll find THE DEMANDS of your girlfriend will eventually become more than you can handle - ya just can't "have yer cake & eat it too" !

oh no no she is not demanding at all! please don't take it that way! This is as much my desire as it is hers , if not more!  I am the one who wants to have the cake and eat it too!  they are my demands! lol! My dysphoria has nothing to do with my genitals, and I quiet enjoy penetrating her, so...yeah...

Quote from: JennX on January 16, 2012, 10:39:11 AM
1.5 years HRT... and everything still works pretty much as before HRT... comes to attention when called, etc.

It's different for everyone. Age and physiology being the two biggest deciding factors I'd wager.

god i hope this will be my results!hopefully longer, I mean!

i just started hormones and pretty much have no libido.
It takes work but I can get an erection.
I personally enjoy having no libido right now, and i didn't think I would.

Quote from: MyAlias on January 16, 2012, 03:39:07 AM
Ok here goes how bad will being on hormones affect me being able to function dowstairs?

As has already been suggested... whether your penis will still function after an extended period of HRT is a matter of luck. I'm thirteen months in, and I have noticed that I am still perfectly functionable, minus the ejaculation - I seem to be fairly dry. Some retain function, some don't, and there's really no way to know what will happen in advance. However, if function is lost, there are, of course, products that can be taken to induce function.

Best wishes.

Quote from: Kelly J. P. on January 17, 2012, 10:48:41 PM
As has already been suggested... whether your penis will still function after an extended period of HRT is a matter of luck.

I believe ->-bleeped-<-Girl15 ( is it?) on youtube said in a blog that she has a girlfriend and wanted to keep functionality, so she talked to her doctors, and they tried many different things till the result was satisfactory.
It was interesting her post about how many trans girls feel that they shouldn't have a libido and are glad when it's gone- but I heard that if one wants orgasmic organs after "surgery" they need to be working beforehand.

Something to look into maybe?

Cheers,

Jenny

It's seven months since my orchiectomy and my T levels have been measured as low as a natal woman's.  I'm 53 years old and have been taking estrogen twice daily for over two years.   My libido is nicely in control, thankfully.  But everything still functions, often times when I'd rather it didn't.  I really wish it would just give up and quit, honestly.

I'll just add one more case here, the OP will probably be interested. I would.

One month HRT and my erection is nearly totally gone. I guess it behaves like it would on a 70 yo man or something. Given, I take high doses on all medications, and my original T wasn't very high, so...

Libido is gone too. Before, I used to watch porn movies every single day.. sometimes twice a day, even if I was with my girl. Now it's once every 3 days, mostly, when I'm not with my girl. If I'm with her, I don't even remember that exists. And yes, I'm damn happy with that. As someone else said, "being horny all the time annoyed me to no end".

Oh, but one thing we all agree is that the orgasm changes. A lot. And it's a wonderfully completing feeling.

Well mine functions fine, and even before I started HRT it was a really runny clear liquid. : p
Now there is just less of it, but I still derive pleasure from masturbation.
I never really got morning wood, or spontaneous erections, nor could I usually be turned on without physical stimulation. (Only one guy ever turned me on.)
So I'm guessing my testosterone levels were pretty low even before HRT, but I seem to have little to no trouble functioning. :3