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I want to join a frat. Can I?

Started by icontact, January 18, 2012, 10:53:45 PM

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icontact

I am stealth and currently rushing a frat. My college's specific chapter is gay-friendly, but I doubt the organization is. I am unwilling to out myself anyways. Although my college lists me as male, my legal documents do not. Will the organization research my background enough to realize? Or am I simply another name on a list?
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Kreuzfidel

Honestly it probably depends on the specific frat/organisation.  I don't know how much they research your past or legal docs, but some can be uptight and strict while others more casual obviously.  Sorry I can't offer more insight.
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tekla

Will the organization research my background enough to realize? Or am I simply another name on a list?

First of all there are two kinds of Greek letter organiztions at colleges, one are the honor societies and those are name on a list type things.  But what most people think of when they think of a frat are the social ones.  And if that's what you are talking about then 'simply another name on a list' is the diametric opposite of what the fraternity is.  They are going to try to find out everything about you - because they are choosing you to be part of them.  And, given the type of activities that frats engage in its' going to be all but impossible to cover that.

And remember, you not only choose to join, they first have to vote to admit you, and in most of them all it takes is one negative vote (a black ball) to reject you.  It's really about college brotherhood and they do take brotherhood part very serious, more so than the college part - and brothers don't ever have secrets from each other.  As matter of fact, as part of the process of not only making you a brother - but also as the keystone to 'making you a better man' you will be encouraged if not required to share with your brothers your deepest secrets about yourself.
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Devlyn

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Jamie D

Quote from: Devlyn on January 19, 2012, 08:37:33 PM
Got fourteen words for you: Toga! Toga! Toga! Toga! Toga Toga! Toga! Toga! Toga! Toga! Toga! Toga! Toga! Toga!

From the greatest comedy ever made.

Otter: He can't do that to our pledges!
Boon: Only we can do that to our pledges.
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Cindy

Never been too sure what Frats are, can someone enlighten me? They are a very USA phenomena I think.
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LordKAT

short for  fraternity  it is a club basically. 
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Randi

Please don't even try.  Fraternity initiations are notorious for having pledges "drop trou" and do something with their penis.... or they may get spanked or otherwise hazed.  Despite all the advances in recent decades, and the anti-hazing rules, they will want to see your penis at some point.

I shudder to think what a group of frat boys would do upon discovering a vag between your legs.

Randi

Quote from: icontact on January 18, 2012, 10:53:45 PM
I am stealth and currently rushing a frat. My college's specific chapter is gay-friendly, but I doubt the organization is. I am unwilling to out myself anyways. Although my college lists me as male, my legal documents do not. Will the organization research my background enough to realize? Or am I simply another name on a list?
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Tristan

i dont know? at University of Florida you can. same with University ofcentral Florida
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JenniferR

Personally, I want to start off by sayign to the poster that it is a Fraternity (all spelled out and not just simply a Frat). It's a respect thing.

I personally belong to a Fraternity to this day, even though it's been twenty years since I was college. I attended a college in the far north upper midwest area (specifically speasking - North dakota State University in Fargo, ND). The Fraternity I joined was a social Fraternity and not strictly based on academics. I rushed, got an invite to pledge, went through initiation, and lived in the actual Fraternity house for a majority of my college experience. I want to say that it was one of the best experiences I've ever had and I still have some of my friends from those days.

I want to say that I believe some of your previous posters are off a bit on their idea of the Fraternity rituals and hazing that supposedly takes place. I may be mistaken by other ares of the country, but I do know the Fraternity I belong too has national guidelines against such things as hazing practices. I've attended other initiations ceremonies of my Fraternity at other campuses across the nation, and they all tend to very specific on their practices and treatment of incoming members.

Back twenty years ago, I was treated with respect, never asked to strip clothing and expose myself, or put through hazing type activities. I was asked about my knowledge of the Fraternity learned during the pledging classes, asked to submit my grades for the semester because of certain minimums required, I was asked about my possible leadership and what I believed I could bring to and benefit from the Fraternity, and some other misc. stuff. We were talked to by many of the senior members, sometimes kept up late over the course of a long weekend, and much of the Fraternity house was dark with windows covered and candles light to ad to the atmosphere, and at the end we had a closed party to celebrate those that made it through. But we were never physically abused, or asked to strip and run naked, or anything of the sort. The old Animal House idea's of Fraternity pledging, initiation & hazing are long gone and with good reasons. I would agree that Fraternities are tight cohesive units of Brotherhood and they do want to know about you and what makes you tick, but they aren't going to do a full in-depth background check on your name and such. They mostly want to find out if your a good person, straight up, have leadership qualities, and are financially capable of paying your dues.

I would say that if your willing to out yourself if needed and it isn't an issue for you, then just be selective on which Fraternities you rush and then from that see which one's offer you a chance to pledge them. Like one of the previous posters stated, they are selecting you, but you can also somewhat select them based on your attendence during Rush Week. I would caution being careful. All of them will put a good foot forward during the Rush Week, but you'll learn alot through pledging and learning about their Chapter & National Organization, and you can always decline prior to initiation if something doesn't fit you or you don't like where things are headed.

Let me know if you want to know more,
Thanks - Jenni
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Tristan

yeah we dont have hazing either. its so out dated and the schools really crack down on such things.
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Andy

I live near an Ivy League college in the northeast US. In my newspaper today, there was an article about the Greek system/frat scene at the school. It said that although the college is supposed to/supposedly cracking down on hazing practices, and they are technically banned, the rules are systematically ignored by the frats themselves, with the result being that student pledges are STILL in this day and age being subjected to sadistic, humiliating and disgusting rituals, all in the name of these so-called clubs. Some of the details printed were so disgusting that I won't disturb you with them, but you can use your imagination. These guys think of everything.

SO.....I don't think in this particular case at this school, you'd want to subject yourself to this. It would depend on the school/fraternity in question, and I can see how some would "enjoy" this and find it beneficial to their social status and business connections in the future and so on, but it's certainly an example of Boys Behaving Badly. I'm not sure I myself would want to be involved with this type of mentality, and perpetuating it.

"People come and go so quickly here!"
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