Quote from: Andy8715 on January 21, 2012, 12:24:03 AM
Trans people can troll too.

I've had the internet for over a year and everyone on it has always called me a troll. I prefer being called "drama queen"

I'm proud of being trans. I used to be ashamed of it, and I used to want to be totally stealth and move to a foreign country just so nobody would figure out I was trans... but then I figured, what the hell, people are going to judge me no matter what I am so I may as well be proud to be exactly the way I am. I don't announce it from the rooftops, so to speak, but I no longer feel bad about myself if people look at my chest for what I perceive to be longer than normal, etc. Now the way I see it is, people either get it or they don't, and their own views on what my gender is or on whether I fit into their neat little categories of how men should act are irrelevant and there's no point letting it effect me. It's like, instead of obsessing over getting my chest uber-flat, I don't care that much anymore because it's easier to just accept that my chest can only get to a certain flatness til I can get surgery, so it's ok if it's not perfect now. So, yeah, I'm proud of being trans, and of being all the other things that I am. For me it's less of a "pride=sense of accomplishment" and more of a "pride=self-acceptance" type of thing.

^this is perfect. people judge you anyway. anyone who's been a pretty boy knows that prejudice isn't reserved for just gays or trans.

Quote from: batgirl on January 20, 2012, 11:51:58 PM
How so?

As previously stated, the answer is obvious.

For instance, every time I was out in public with my soon-to-be-ex-wife and our kids, we were publicly displaying the results of part of our sex life. The same holds true for any female who conceived through sexual intercourse and is out in public. It's not "dirty" in the least. Personal? Yes. But dirty? No. "Dirty", to me, connotes an unhealthy view of sex.

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 21, 2012, 04:19:12 PM
As previously stated, the answer is obvious.

For instance, every time I was out in public with my soon-to-be-ex-wife and our kids, we were publicly displaying the results of part of our sex life. The same holds true for any female who conceived through sexual intercourse and is out in public. It's not "dirty" in the least. Personal? Yes. But dirty? No. "Dirty", to me, connotes an unhealthy view of sex.

I think children are individual people in their own right. not just the product your sexual gratification.

Quote from: batgirl on January 21, 2012, 12:26:41 AM
I've had the internet for over a year and everyone on it has always called me a troll. I prefer being called "drama queen"

Perhaps a better approach would be to listen, digest, and then comment after giving the issue some consideration.

Sometimes you can make a point better through a dialogue, than through an impulsive comment.

Wow. I feel very sad that so many people are not proud to be themselves.

Quote from: sonic on January 22, 2012, 05:59:29 AM
Wow. I feel very sad that so many people are not proud to be themselves.

I'm proud of being myself for having started my transition.. But I'm not proud of being trans.. To me, that's like being proud of having a limp, or a cleft palate or any medical condition..

Quote from: kelly_aus on January 22, 2012, 06:10:52 AM
I'm proud of being myself for having started my transition.. But I'm not proud of being trans.. To me, that's like being proud of having a limp, or a cleft palate or any medical condition..

Depends on what type of TG it is, and, not the least, who that TG are as a person.
As Wikipedia says; "Transgender is a general term applied to a variety of individuals, behaviors, and groups involving tendencies to vary from culturally conventional gender roles."

In other words, even the type of trans consisting of those persons that rather 'chooses' it as a lifestyle, is Transgender. And those persons, for the most part, generally tends to hold a more positive attitude towards being such, as they have never really been dysforic about their anatomies but have rather chosen it as a lifestyle as they felt that it gave them a better life, although they were generally not exactly unhapy with the old life and bodies.

It is fully understandable why some may be just as proud of being TG as much as others are being unhappy about it and considers it being a condition.

I don't see it as anything to be proud of nor ashamed of, it just is.  I'm proud of stuff that I choose to do and the person I've become despite all the things that have happened to me in life.

Quote from: batgirl on January 21, 2012, 05:24:24 PM
I think children are individual people in their own right. not just the product your sexual gratification.

Of course they're people in their own right. But, if they are conceived through sexual congress then it is a very visible, albeit round-about, way of displaying one's sexual orientation quite publicly.

Your original protest against being proud of being gay was that it publicly proclaimed something about one's sex life. And what I'm saying that children conceived through sexual intercourse is a way in which the heterosexual privilege is manifested. Rarely do people complain that it's "dirty" to be proud of one's children.

Back to the topic: I am not ashamed of being either transgender or pansexual (although I prefer the non-existent term "panaffectionate"). I agree with Z7Z in that "pride=self-acceptance."

I will not apologize for what I am. If others are offended by my existence, that's their problem.

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 22, 2012, 11:06:49 AM
Of course they're people in their own right. But, if they are conceived through sexual congress then it is a very visible, albeit round-about, way of displaying one's sexual orientation quite publicly.

that's generalizing. They could have been artificially inseminated.

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Your original protest against being proud of being gay was that it publicly proclaimed something about one's sex life. And what I'm saying that children conceived through sexual intercourse is a way in which the heterosexual privilege is manifested. Rarely do people complain that it's "dirty" to be proud of one's children.

Again another stereotype. You are saying hetero people are the only ones who have children.

Quote from: Gifted on January 16, 2012, 02:13:13 AM
Just wondering.

I'm proud of what I've accomplished so far to become the person I feel to be on the inside.

Quote from: batgirl on January 21, 2012, 12:26:41 AM
I've had the internet for over a year and everyone on it has always called me a troll.

Perhaps you should look into why you are being called this instead of a "drama queen". People can usually tell the difference, so perhaps you're presenting yourself the wrong way?

Quote from: JasonRX on January 22, 2012, 04:48:50 PM
Perhaps you should look into why you are being called this instead of a "drama queen". People can usually tell the difference, so perhaps you're presenting yourself the wrong way?

I'm often called a drama queen on the internet.

However, how do you like is when people call you she? perhaps it's something you are doing wrong?People can usually tell the difference.

Quote from: batgirl on January 22, 2012, 05:05:37 PM
I'm often called a drama queen on the internet.

However, how do you like is when people call you she? perhaps it's something you are doing wrong?People can usually tell the difference.

Um.
Are you trying to be offensive?
People rarely do that to me actually anymore as I pass next to 100% in real life.
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So, no, I'm not doing anything wrong.
Try again later.


I was asking you a question out of curiosity and making a suggestion so people take you more seriously. I was trying to be helpful and you resort to a personal attack. Classy.

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I am proud of trans people being strong and out!

But I am not proud of being me. By now I feel it more as a burden than as an opportunity, and I do recognize I am trans, but I am too much worried by the consequences to be proud.

Quote from: batgirl on January 22, 2012, 05:40:32 PM
You've been attacking me for days through back stabbing, a negative rep where you accused me of being a HATER.

You hound me as a troll just because I'm not a Trotskyite like 90% of transgender. Some of us are creators, not destroyers. Deal with it. I have to put up with the majority so get of my case and get back to crying with your pals.

I couldn't care less if you pass, think you do, or not. I've got my own mind and I won't be conscripted into the lgbt crying competition due to your bullying.

Interesting use of the word Trotskyite..  Are you saying that 90% of Trans people are advocates for a Revolution?

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