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I got to somehow bring peace to my home, mum tried to kill herself b/c me

Started by Ultimus, January 22, 2012, 05:52:47 PM

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Ultimus

It just got real at my house. A few hours ago my mom runs into the house screaming, "Come here little lady mother ****er* then she starts screaming and cussing at me, telling me that she hates me and hates what I did to her, that I had no right to tell her that I'm transgender, that a real man would rather die than tell his mom something like that. "How could you do this to your mother?" Then she dumps out all of her medicine on the counter (xanax + ambien) and attempts to swallow it, but I'm able to wrestle them out of her hands. She tells me, "You might not be able to control your thoughts to be transgender, but we're on the same page because I can't control my thoughts to kill myself and there's nothing you can do to stop me." Sobbing on the couch, screaming incoherently calling me mean names. I feel like garbage because I'm the cause of such destruction.

Anyways, she's been sleeping for the past few hours.

So what caused all of this? Well my mom sent me to an LDS therapist to try to "fix me" using the gospel. Well the lady basically told me, as I mentioned in another thread, that she can't do miracles and that my mom would have to accept me. Well that's obviously not what my mom wanted to hear, and so it got real nuts at my house.

I have secretly been on HRT for 3 weeks now (as in I'm the only one who knows)  and the experiment has gone all wrong. I don't think I'm REALLY transgender. Why? Because it's suddenly not as thrilling anymore to wear women's clothes. It's just not worth it to be causing this much destruction in the home. And for what? So that I can dress up like a girl? Suddenly, that doesn't seem like a big deal anymore. The hype did not live up to the reality.

I need a compromise. I need some way to suck it up and make things work as a man, while also satisfying this internal sexual desire to be a woman. Lettuce be reality, I have had sexual fantasies about being a girl since I was 13, and non-sexual fantasies since I was 3 (" ->-bleeped-<-"). I need some way to accommodate those thoughts and feelings, while also reaping the benefits of being a man and making my family proud.

Does anyone have any experience with this sort of compromise? What if I had a secret stash of clothes and found an accepting wife, and played my stupid little fantasy in the bedroom, and lived a perfectly socially acceptable life as a man? Because I don't want to be a woman for social reasons, only for selfish sexual ones.

Keep it real and tell me exactly what's on your mind and let me know what's up.
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Devlyn

If your Mom is suicidal, get her some help. The rest is all on you. Working out your gender and sexuality has nothing to do with how others want you to be. Best wishes, hugs, Devlyn
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Beth Andrea

It's far too easy to blame yourself for someone else's suicide--either completed or attempted. This action is in no way your fault.

Your mom needs help, and for suicide, the therapists/psychiatrists CAN help. For TG, "help" does not mean "convince you otherwise." The therapist you saw was obviously handicapped by religion, which is unfortunate but not uncommon.

In the meantime, don't belittle yourself. Left to your own devices, you believe you are TG...with your mom's attempt, you don't want to be TG (which is understandable in the heat of the moment).

But put it this way...if you were not TG, and happy to be a guy, but your mom was trying to convince you that you were TG...and she tried to kill herself to "force" you into transitioning...would you do it? Of course not...you'd just get her the help she needs, and continue with your life according to YOUR standards.

Best wishes, hope things turn out well for you both.

...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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0451

You should call the cops.  If your mother is in danger of harming herself they can put her in a safe place.  It is irrelevant if she finds this undignified or embarrassing.  Seriously though, if she is in danger of harming herself, please get professional help- her feelings won't matter if she is dead.  Two people I know or at least have some connection to have died over the last few days.  I don't want to see a third.  That is paramount.

To respond to your other questions:

Second of all, their beliefs are their own.  How they react is not something you can control.  If they feel a certain way in their mind that is their business.  All you did was tell them something about yourself, and while that may have made them understandably upset, you can't control how they feel or how they react.

The worst thing about coming out is hurting those who you love.  My family has not taken it well either, though nobody has tried to kill themselves yet over it.  I felt bad for a while.  I questioned myself, just as you have.  But it's who I am- I've felt this way for a long time, and the thoughts are not going away.  Ultimately I'm not going to make my own life miserable to satisfy someone else's need for familiarity or their moral code.  That's what I decided for myself, and that's my burden.  Likewise, just because many people on this board found transition to work for them, doesn't mean you should project it on yourself.

HRT probably won't make it thrilling to wear women's clothing.  Most women don't fetishize about the clothes they wear (well beyond feeling sexy in some nice lingerie I guess).  If anything I found I got less turned on from wearing women's clothing after being on HRT for a while.  For me that is fine- I just want to be a normal women.  I don't want to be turned on by doing something as mundane as wearing clothes.  For you, you may feel different but the effects sound similar.

I do recommend speaking to a SECULAR therapist, one as free of agenda and bias as possible.  It sounds like you are confused about your motivation for transitioning- this is probably natural.  Perhaps you just have a crossdressing fetish.  Some people are like that and are satisfied using clothing as a fetish thing, but have little desire to transition or present as female.  That's perfectly alright and if that's how you feel, it's actually very normal.  But you really should be seeing someone good to help you navigate these waters, and you should NOT be allowing the personal interests of others prevent you from seeking happiness.

It's my personal opinion that  ->-bleeped-<- is very rocky science, and there have been studies that very strongly call into question its validity.  I would also state that while transition is not a decision to take lightly, it's also not a decision to put off until you have a mid life crisis.  That's why you need a good therapist.  Really someone who does family counseling would be ideal.

I can't tell you how to live your life- You have to make that decision for yourself.  Not for me, not for the people on this board, not for your family, not for the male dominated business culture, and not for your church.  And whatever you choose, make sure it is something that you can live with.  I can tell you that I struggle with satisfying my own family.  My mother's side is obsessed with genetics and they put me on a pedestal as some sort of superman.  They want me to spread my genetics for the greatness of the aryan race.  F*** them.
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Jeneva

You can only be responsible for your own actions.  What someone else chooses to do is THEIR responsibility.

Please note she poured the medicine on the counter instead of straight into her mouth.  She GAVE you a chance to stop her.

Please call 911.  She attempted suicide.  She may have swallowed SOME of the pills so needs to be checked out.  Most places will require MANDATORY psych evaluation by a REAL psychologist and not an unskilled church professional and probably even confinement for a few days.  If you are in Utah then it looks like the law says she will be confined and evaluated.
Blessed Be!

Jeneva Caroline Samples
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Joelene9

jdinatale:
  You both need help.  I would not trust your church with this.  Evidently your mom was given a guilt trip by others in your church.  The LDS still puts a lot of pressure on the women as pertaining to child care.  I had some of those crossdressing fantasies you are having when I was your age.  As with you, a lot of that has subsided with over 1 year on HRT.  I have not entered the crossdressing stage yet probably due to my middle-age inertia, plus I didn't allow a stitch of women's clothing in my house since I bought it 27 years ago.  It is best to get this resolved now while you're still young.  Don't postphone this like I did!   I would've gone to school, gotten a degree, got married and raised a family. 
  Joelene
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Annah

jd, I am really trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here.

However, based on the history of all your posts, all of this feels like attention to me.

From your current therapist (who gives you hrt because he's not sure what you are) to your encounters with the LDS therapist confronting your sister about your condition (which no therapist would do) and now this.

If your mother is trying to kill herself, then you need to call 911 and not tell us about it on an internet forum. You have now placed the staff under an umbrella of liability by telling them your mother tried to kill herself.

I really, really do want to believe you but I have taken enough counseling classes (well over 60 credits worth) to tell you that you are exhibiting all the signs of Histrionic Personality Disorder. This is in no way a diagnosis, but your post history here has exhibit that disorder down to the letter.

If anything, I do hope you get the help you need.
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A

Don't blame yourself. It's not your fault if your mother has mental health issues. 1. Being transgendered is in no way a reason for anyone to be angry at you ; 2. Anyone brought to a suicide attempt by something like that was very unstable to begin with. Put your things on hold and get her help.

A little comment. Anyone would find transition, or anything, actually, "not so thrilling" when the family is collapsing.

Oh, and I just understood something. You have been seen by a counsellor from the church? Really? No kidding? Sorry, but the only comment I can find is "lol". Get a professional; a real one.
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Ultimus

Quote from: Annah on January 22, 2012, 10:07:36 PM
I really, really do want to believe you but I have taken enough counseling classes (well over 60 credits worth) to tell you that you are exhibiting all the signs of Histrionic Personality Disorder.

By looking at your avatar, I have taken enough nutrition classes to tell you that you are exhibiting all of the signs of Eating Disorder.
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Annah

Quote from: jdinatale on January 22, 2012, 11:11:07 PM
By looking at your avatar, I have taken enough nutrition classes to tell you that you are exhibiting all of the signs of Eating Disorder.

Sadly, you just proved my point.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002498/

Take note of the fourth symptom. I'm not here to troll you. I am trying to show you that you may have other issues happening and, based on your posts, you stated you are exploring every option possible to make yourself feel better. You should take that to your therapist and have him talk to you about it...or at least rule it out.

Just be careful when you state how your mom tried to kill herself on public forums. Liability and a lot of legal mess can result if, God forbids, you mother is successful and we knew about your mother's condition and did not intervene.

In my opinion, you need to call 911 and not post that here.
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Cindy

I'm locking this topic for now.

If someone is suicidal, contact the authorities and act as a responsible person.

The rest of the thread is degenerating into abuse and is breaking ToS 15.
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