evil trans finger!

Quote from: Annah on February 19, 2012, 10:10:28 PM
evil trans finger!

I bet you have been saving that picture for this precise moment...

I do know that my grandparents have learned a lot from guys that are on TV. I don't hate Chaz as a person, but a lot of what he says is just not representative of what I believe. And I am sure he's aware of people's criticisms of what he has said...I think he needs to own up to it and think about it.

Quote from: Caseyyy on February 19, 2012, 10:15:39 PM
I do know that my grandparents have learned a lot from guys that are on TV. I don't hate Chaz as a person, but a lot of what he says is just not representative of what I believe. And I am sure he's aware of people's criticisms of what he has said...I think he needs to own up to it and think about it.

Im sure there are things he said that others disagree. That doesn't mean he has to own up to it. I wouldn't apologize to something i truly believed in but someone else didn't

I like Stephen Ira. He's ticked off at the media for forcefully outing him, and criticizes the crap out of everybody.

Quote from: Nygeel on February 19, 2012, 10:19:36 PM
I like Stephen Ira. He's ticked off at the media for forcefully outing him, and criticizes the crap out of everybody.

Some rich loud mouthed kid who feels like he knows everything about life already. Yeah now there is a great spokesperson for the community lol

Give me a break, I've referred to myself as a ->-bleeped-<- from BEFORE this guy was born! Now he's gonna explain how we should stop using it because it's offensive? Here's a clue, as soon as you publicize that "calling us ->-bleeped-<- is offensive" what do you think haters are going to call you? I guess he skipped reading the briar rabbit story.

Quote from: Stephe on February 19, 2012, 10:45:45 PM
Some rich loud mouthed kid who feels like he knows everything about life already. Yeah now there is a great spokesperson for the community lol

Give me a break, I've referred to myself as a ->-bleeped-<- from BEFORE this guy was born! Now he's gonna explain how we should stop using it because it's offensive? Here's a clue, as soon as you publicize that "calling us ->-bleeped-<- is offensive" what do you think haters are going to call you? I guess he skipped reading the briar rabbit story.

That's a word for trans women to reclaim, and not trans men since it doesn't have a history with trans men.

I'm a ->-bleeped-<-, Jay's a ->-bleeped-<-.
We're all ->-bleeped-<-s.

Quote from: JoeyD on February 19, 2012, 10:58:00 PM
I'm a ->-bleeped-<-, Jay's a ->-bleeped-<-.
We're all ->-bleeped-<-s.

Wooh ->-bleeped-<- party!

*sorry I've been lurking this thread and that just made me lol too hard not to reply*

Quote from: Nygeel on February 19, 2012, 10:50:32 PM
That's a word for trans women to reclaim, and not trans men since it doesn't have a history with trans men.

I don't get This. What if the trans man does have a history with the word?

Nygeel, I agree with you about Chaz, Ryan Casseta, and Buck Angel. The three of them have said a lot of racist and misogynist stuff, among other things, and I really don't see them as the kind of people to look up to.

Quote from: Jayr on February 19, 2012, 01:55:31 PM
No body's perfect. I think Chaz, Buck, and Ryan have a right to their own opinion and a right to do whatever the hell they want.

Agreed. Everyone is different, just because someone is trans doesn't mean that they won't make mistakes and make comments that aren't okay. People are always going to be ignorant, always going to have opinions that they may not shift from. I just know that in the future there will be different 'faces' of the trans community, change is inevitable. I can understand why the repetitive question of "Oh, so you're like Chaz?" would be irritating, I think I've only had to answer it once or twice with a "no, not exactly", everyone is different, but as I said, there will always be people who just don't get it.

Quote from: Nygeel on February 19, 2012, 10:50:32 PM
That's a word for trans women to reclaim, and not trans men since it doesn't have a history with trans men.

Also, Nygeel, I'd have to disagree. I know plenty of transguys who have coped the word "->-bleeped-<-" in a derogatory sense, I have myself. Everyone experiences different 'smaller' things in terms of prejudice, I guess - and I use the word 'smaller' lightly, because I know that it is a much harsher comment for some transpeople than others.

I personally hate the term '->-bleeped-<-', and find it offensive because of the negative connotations and the thoughts it brings to peoples' minds. I will give a sound verbal beating to anyone who thinks it's okay to call me such; I am not a '->-bleeped-<-', I'm a man.

As to the actual topic, I get annoyed by Chaz because people bring him up as an example for all trans men, and I feel a little squicked by that. He as a person is someone I don't particularly like, just because of the way he acts and speaks, and I don't really want to be associated with that. That being said, he's doing a lot more for the community than some others, so I think that alone warrants a little respect.

I quite honestly think that a big part of the problem people have with him is that he's "visible".
Trans men have for a long time been able to slip under the proverbial radar.
When people say "transsexuals" they usually mean trans women, because trans men go unnoticed.
Chaz Bono's open and public transition has meant people are aware of the existence of trans men more than before.
This makes people uncomfortable because they don't want to be seen as "trans" because of the public reaction they fear and because of their own disliking of "trans" and what they themselves connect that to.

Some trans people are the most transphobic people I know.
In part I believe this is a form of self preservation (they feel that if they rag on trans people then people won't know they're trans themselves) but I think a bigger part of this is a form of self hatred (hating that they are trans, that they had to transition to be themselves, that society won't accept 'em, etc, etc, etc.)

Those things together I think are the primary reason why some trans guys dislike Chaz.
Honestly, they should dislike me too then, because I'm openly trans and publicly speak out as a trans man for trans rights, both legal and social.

Quote from: Nygeel on February 19, 2012, 10:19:36 PM
I like Stephen Ira. He's ticked off at the media for forcefully outing him, and criticizes the crap out of everybody.

Woah, just went and looked him up; awesome! Thanks dude.

Quote from: Stephe on February 19, 2012, 10:45:45 PM
Some rich loud mouthed kid who feels like he knows everything about life already. Yeah now there is a great spokesperson for the community lol

I don't understand what your problem with him is? He's very well spoken and puts forward his opinions in a thoughtful and respectful way, and being young doesn't in any way invalidate his opinions or beliefs.

He also got himself a job going door to door in order to support his transition, so clearly he's not as much of a 'rich loud mouthed kid' as you claim. I think you might have a case of YDIW...

Quote from: Miniar on February 20, 2012, 07:07:10 AM
I quite honestly think that a big part of the problem people have with him is that he's "visible".
Trans men have for a long time been able to slip under the proverbial radar.
When people say "transsexuals" they usually mean trans women, because trans men go unnoticed.
Chaz Bono's open and public transition has meant people are aware of the existence of trans men more than before.
This makes people uncomfortable because they don't want to be seen as "trans" because of the public reaction they fear and because of their own disliking of "trans" and what they themselves connect that to.

Some trans people are the most transphobic people I know.
In part I believe this is a form of self preservation (they feel that if they rag on trans people then people won't know they're trans themselves) but I think a bigger part of this is a form of self hatred (hating that they are trans, that they had to transition to be themselves, that society won't accept 'em, etc, etc, etc.)

Those things together I think are the primary reason why some trans guys dislike Chaz.
Honestly, they should dislike me too then, because I'm openly trans and publicly speak out as a trans man for trans rights, both legal and social.

Quoted for truth

Quote from: conformer on February 19, 2012, 11:18:09 PM
Wooh ->-bleeped-<- party!

*sorry I've been lurking this thread and that just made me lol too hard not to reply*

No one can deny it c:

On the use of the word ->-bleeped-<-, you guys have any idea WHY people use slurs in the first place? Because -you- have GIVEN them a tool to attack you with. Getting mad or ashamed or whatever is telling them "Yes you found my button". All this guy has done is told bigots "If you want to piss off a transgendered person, here is what you do...." *sigh* Other groups have made the mistake of saying "it's OK for us to us it but no one else can". That just empowers the slur even more. I've had people call me "A cracker" and I just laughed At least in my case I'm not going to care, it will be a "Yes I'm a ->-bleeped-<- and??" moment.

Are any of these people a great role model? Of course not and I clearly think some of Chaz's comments about women are absurd. But these are also how HE feels not a "I am the spokesperson for all transpeople worldwide." I highly doubt the children on any movie star is someone we should look up to as a role model, but they are going to get a lot of media exposure.

And yes I'm proud to be at the ->-bleeped-<- party too

Yeah, no one isn't the perfect role model.
So it's dumb to get so offended.
Calm your ->-bleeped-<-tits down.

Me, I'm an offensive prick. That's a fact.
I used the N word at Walmart when there was a bunch of black people around me, mom got mad at me, but no f***s were given. (I'm not racist at all btw, I just say whatever I want haha.)
Now go make a tumblr post about how I'm such a terrible person.

Quote from: Stephe on February 20, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
. All this guy has done is told bigots "If you want to piss off a transgendered person, here is what you do...."

Honestly, anything seen or unseen in this world, physical or transitory, will piss off a transgender person. It's inevitable.

Three things are certain in this life: Death, Taxes, and Offending a transgender.