Outfit of the Day: Clubbing!

I admire Gregory!    He may not be one of us but he could teach us 'have our cake and eat it' ->-bleeped-<-s a thing or two.

First, I am not that quite effeminate. Akso I like being me. If it's not OK with others, oh well. We must feel good within ones being. I like constructive advice.

 I don't like heels. Flats are wonderful, but heels suck - and I don't know if I could wear a skirt that short. Maybe I could, but then again... I'm not wearing skirts until after my SRS in any case. And I don't really care for the bracelet.

Being feminine is fun, though. I might disagree with his style, but it's only because I prefer to be on the cute and silly side of things, with a side of punkishness (in attitude - I dress pretty ... normally).

I think he should work on his voice a lil bit, but I understand that might not matter to him...

Woot.

Because there are many ways to be a woman. Good for him that he looks very hot but that's just not me. I'm more of a tom-boy if it's possible for a woman to be a tom-boy. It's interesting that we're all so different. Was at class yesterday with three other female students and a female lecturer and all of them had different styles and always of being feminine. It was awesome and so refreshing.

Really looks great! Love the shoes espacially.

Damn he's pretty.  I can't believe he's not transgender.  Bit of a shame in a way.  At least he knows who he is and is not ashamed of it.  Good for him.

Quote from: niamh on March 14, 2012, 04:51:03 AM
I'm more of a tom-boy if it's possible for a woman to be a tom-boy.

Tomboys generally are girls.

JulieC & niamh,

You said well what I was thinking. niamh, "three other female students and a female lecturer and all of them had different styles and always of being feminine. It was awesome and so refreshing." "Feminine," I like your expression. I am not a tom boy in dress, I try to be cute and seem to get that feedback. Gregory, ah youth, how I wish I could look that good.

Jamie

Quote from: Felix on March 16, 2012, 10:57:22 PM
Tomboys generally are girls.

Emphasis on 'woman' ;-) (I wonder if by the time I will be able to transition I'll be too old to be a 'girl' - saying that my gran still has her 'girls' night out' every week :-)), but yes, I ain't going to jump from one box to another. I wish to be boxless.

Thanks Jamie!

Feminine MTFs are strangely rare 

Personally I love heels and dresses and makeup but I can't be like Gregory 'cause I'm not gonna present male.  And I hope I am a little less obnoxious, lol

niamh,

I like your avatar, I guess we both like being cute. I like your quote under gender. Boxless is a cool concept.

You are welcome hun, my pleasure.
Hugs
Jamie

Niamh I will always be loyal to you because you study linguistics. Your pointing out the cultural valences the word "girl" can have reminds me that before I moved up north I called everybody "kid" regardless of age, and lots of people around me did too. It was sort of like people using the word "cat" to mean any contemporary human.

I'm not trying to imply that's the branch of linguistics you're into. That's more pop sociology honestly, but I did want to give you a shout out.

Cool vid, I've almost got my hair long enough for that style

Quote from: pretty on March 17, 2012, 10:22:26 PM
Feminine MTFs are strangely rare 

From what I see around me there is a catch-22 thing going on? MTFs MUST behave gendered and at the same time MAY NOT behave TOO gendered? And there is no middle ground between these two "requirements" unless you manage to go totally stealth. It's like there is a uncanny valley between "barely passing" and "stealth"?

Quote from: Felix on March 18, 2012, 02:14:11 AM
Niamh I will always be loyal to you because you study linguistics. Your pointing out the cultural valences the word "girl" can have reminds me that before I moved up north I called everybody "kid" regardless of age, and lots of people around me did too. It was sort of like people using the word "cat" to mean any contemporary human.

I'm not trying to imply that's the branch of linguistics you're into. That's more pop sociology honestly, but I did want to give you a shout out.

I have my toes in many linguistic ponds, but yes, you're right, semantics and pragmatics are not my areas on specialisation.

Language is a funny thing, which is why it's great to study. The English word 'girl' (spelled 'gyrle') used to mean 'child of either sex' and the Old French 'garçun' (servant, boy) was borrowed into my language where today it generally means 'boy' in the singular but 'children' in the plural (analogous I guess to the use of 'guy' and 'guys' in English. You wouldn't call a female a 'guy' but a group of females is often addressed as 'guys', at least in dialect).

Quote from: Princess of Hearts on March 13, 2012, 05:53:52 PM
I admire Gregory!    He may not be one of us but he could teach us 'have our cake and eat it' ->-bleeped-<-s a thing or two.

Really have to disagree. Passing is important to some, (most) and that is something we should aplaud. But it isn't a priority for everyone.

Hopefully the world will develop so the current or next generation can present themselves anywhere like that. He's perfectly presentable, functional and in no manner offensive to anyone.

Personally, I hated padding.

Apart from the extrovert voice, I could see myself like that when I was younger.

Quote from: Artemis on March 18, 2012, 03:46:52 AM
From what I see around me there is a catch-22 thing going on? MTFs MUST behave gendered and at the same time MAY NOT behave TOO gendered? And there is no middle ground between these two "requirements" unless you manage to go totally stealth. It's like there is a uncanny valley between "barely passing" and "stealth"?

I think there's a pretty huge middleground between "manly" and "complete caricature of femininity".

I don't really ever see MTFs behaving too (female) gendered. Nor do I hear them complaining that (post-transition) they want to be more feminine but everyone hassles them about it! Where does this happen? All I see is tomboys. Tomboys everywhere. Kinda weird thing to call yourself if you just managed to escape being called an actual boy.

If an MTF is accused of overcompensating, chances are they're not being too feminine but they're trying to fake femininity in a way that's not actually feminine, but seems feminine to them? Like clown drag makeup, fetish gear, etc.

I'm not a fan of his style or how he is coming across.... he simply doesn't fit into the "normal world" of professionals (at least none that I know). He seems like he is trying to fit into the early 20's party girl world... which, well, isn't that interesting (even for early 20's girls).

The women that I know (early to late 20's mostly) don't act anything close to what he does (and that is part of the problem, he actually seems like he is acting). Even the late teens that I know don't act like he does ....

And all of this is coming from someone living in LA...

But, if it works for him... more power to him I just want a career (outside of I guess hair and makeup?) and want to be taken seriously... so... gotta behave like a real person.

Quote from: pretty on March 19, 2012, 12:39:00 AM
I think there's a pretty huge middleground between "manly" and "complete caricature of femininity".

There is. That was not my point. The "valley" is between "passing" and "stealth"? So... mtfs are incouraged to behave and look more feminine up to an point after which it become almost, but just not completely, feminine and then people who know you're mtf begin to push back until you actually pass though that valley. It's as if tiny details which didn't matter before become way more detrimental to the whole image when you're almost there?