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How viable is living "stealth"

Started by Isaac, March 17, 2012, 12:44:25 AM

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Isaac

Ok so.. I have been thinking of transition for a long time, and lurking this forum for a few years.  I have a question now.

I really don't understand how anyone can live "stealth" unless they move to a completely new city and don't have any contact with family.  And I've read a few threads where someone will be like, "I've told my coworkers not to tell others I am trans and they respect that."  I just lol at this.  Maybe I'm jaded and have no faith in people, but I'm 99% sure those people will be spreading it around behind your back.  And how are my family supposed to explain to people that their sister/daughter is gone and they have a son now?

What are your guys' experience being stealth?  How quickly does the fact that you're trans spread around if one person finds out?

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wheat thins are delicious

I'm stealth at school, a college fwiw.  My adviser knows, but she can't tell anyone as that would be a violation of the rules within that school.  A few close friends who knew before I began transition know, but I trust them not to tell anyone.  Have they told anyone?  Idk and no one has said anything, so I consider myself stealth, though I'm in the middle of a scare about that.

I consider myself semi-stealth at work.  Do my coworkers know?  Yes, I know the ones who were there before I started transition know and I'm sure the ones who have started working there since know (gossip is rampant where I work), but no one says anything about it.  Sure some of the people who were there before my transition say something sometimes to me personally, but it's not to others.  Do my customers know?  Idk and I have no way of knowing but from my experience they all treat me and refer to me as a man so I think I'm good. 


And there is no reason not to have any contact with family if you move to a new location. Yeah, I could see if they don't support you or whatever but not all family members are like that.  Personally my sister never calls me my birth name except at home because my mother will rain a ->-bleeped-<-storm on anyone who dares not to call me my birth name in her presence.  She sometimes slips in public and calls me "she" but that's normal for people to make with everyone, cis, trans whatever and she always corrects herself.


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Felix

I'm not stealth but I've found that the further transitioned I am, the fewer people know. Just because it doesn't really come up, and it's not something most people think to ask.

Of course, we clock each other a lot, but even in really trans-y areas there aren't all that many of us.
everybody's house is haunted
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sneakersjay

I'm fairly stealth.  Yes, people at work know, but it isn't a topic of conversation.  Do new employees know?  No idea, though the place is a gossip mill  so I can't imagine that new employees haven't been told.  I can't worry about it.  I live as stealth as possible, though I do know that if people dig enough, they will find out.  I don't dwell on it.  I just live life as a boring gay guy.


Jay


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Paul

Quote from: sneakersjay on March 17, 2012, 09:56:10 AM
I'm fairly stealth.  Yes, people at work know, but it isn't a topic of conversation.  Do new employees know?  No idea, though the place is a gossip mill  so I can't imagine that new employees haven't been told.  I can't worry about it.  I live as stealth as possible, though I do know that if people dig enough, they will find out.  I don't dwell on it.  I just live life as a boring gay guy.

This is where I am at work.  We have a lot of relief staff (per diem) that I haven't said anything, but there's not saying the regular staff haven't.  I wasn't going to tell our Asst Manager when he started, but my name wasn't official yet and our schedule is doing through a computer system at our main base so it has to have your legal name and he saw it, but we have a new Manager starting next week and I have no intentions on telling her.  Again, there's no saying other staff won't tell her, or that she hasn't been told by our Program Administrator, but I don't plan on telling her.  I'm a bisexual man and that's how I live.  Being Trans and transitioning is something I'm doing that doesn't effect how I work so there's no need to continuously bring it up.
It's hard to see through clouds of grey in a world full of Black and White.



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Natkat

can anyone give me a exact decribtion of what "live stealth" is?

I got an idea about it, but I want to be 100% before aswering.
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Felix

Quote from: Natkat on March 17, 2012, 10:29:08 AM
can anyone give me a exact decribtion of what "live stealth" is?

I got an idea about it, but I want to be 100% before aswering.
Usually refers to living as cis, basically. Passing well enough and taking care to keep your trans status private.
everybody's house is haunted
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lexical

Quote from: Felix on March 17, 2012, 01:35:34 AM
I'm not stealth but I've found that the further transitioned I am, the fewer people know. Just because it doesn't really come up, and it's not something most people think to ask.

This. I don't make a conscious effort to be stealth but it just never comes up anymore. Of course people from your past will know, but personally I don't see many of them often since I live in a different state now. I did find visiting back home a few weeks ago brought up some dysphoria because I was getting she'd by family/friends which was just so uncomfortable because it never happens anymore.

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Kreuzfidel

I had the fortune of moving to a completely different continent.  The only people who will know I'm trans will be work or other institutions because my ID and vital documents are still in my birth name and sex.
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poptart

Usually 'stealth' doesn't apply to the people who previously knew you. It's not like you're going to form a new relationship with them under the premise that you're someone else.

Stealth means not disclosing to those who haven't met you previously.
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notyouraverageguy

Quote from: Isaac on March 17, 2012, 12:44:25 AM
Ok so.. I have been thinking of transition for a long time, and lurking this forum for a few years.  I have a question now.

I really don't understand how anyone can live "stealth" unless they move to a completely new city and don't have any contact with family.  And I've read a few threads where someone will be like, "I've told my coworkers not to tell others I am trans and they respect that."  I just lol at this.  Maybe I'm jaded and have no faith in people, but I'm 99% sure those people will be spreading it around behind your back.  And how are my family supposed to explain to people that their sister/daughter is gone and they have a son now?

What are your guys' experience being stealth?  How quickly does the fact that you're trans spread around if one person finds out?

This.

Quote from: poptart on March 18, 2012, 01:19:10 AM
Usually 'stealth' doesn't apply to the people who previously knew you. It's not like you're going to form a new relationship with them under the premise that you're someone else.

Stealth means not disclosing to those who haven't met you previously.

You tell the people in your life that know to respect your name and pronouns, and not to disclose your status, or dont take new people around them.
Gender expression is NOT gender identity.

Defective Catastrophe.
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poptart

Quote from: mic on March 18, 2012, 01:58:45 AM
You tell the people in your life that know to respect your name and pronouns, and not to disclose your status, or dont take new people around them.

I'm aware.
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Natkat

Quote from: Felix on March 17, 2012, 04:22:57 PM
Usually refers to living as cis, basically. Passing well enough and taking care to keep your trans status private.

Okay thank you for the explenation.

currently I would be living sort of stealth, Im living on my school outside my hometown, the teachers, and some old students know about me being trans, but not the new onces and I live pretty much like any other guy, go to the swimming hall, change in the boys room, get pronouced he" and if anyone call me she" they all look strangly and like "did she just call you she? wtf?"

its very strange and actually first time I been living like this, it feels good but I am not to proud of it because I feel I am leaving behind all the trans issues which I use to put alot of my time in.

I would say living like that really depends on alot of stuff, how well you pass, and the people around you, like if your famely/friends are accepting and keep the right name and pronouce.
I will also say it depends on the goverment of where you live how the rules infect your switch". ex how easy it is to change your gendermark and so" 
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