sure, some people think that we all have a predetermined fate and others think that freedom of choice prevents that.  yet, what if making a certain choice is your fate? in other words, what if you were supposed to make that choice anyway?

You also have defaults happen even if you do not make a choice.

I believe you choose your own path, but fate takes you where you will end up........ to the end result!

Fate? Perhaps. Perhaps not. There are just so many variables and carry-over effects from all everything else is doing in this interdependent, inter-being universe I cannot imagine that a human, me anyhow, could ever figure it out.

And I don't really see that it matters a lot. Fate, free-will? One way or another I live my life. 

Hmmmm...I would say that at certain times it changes... I believe in fate because I'm an optimist (or at least I try very hard to be one) and will believe that everything will work itself out somehow; however, I also believe that I'm responsible for a lot of the choices I make, and I am also responsible for predicting their consequences.

tink

       Hello all,

       Am I controlled by fate or do I control my own fate?  This is a very
       interesting question and it is something that I have often thought
       about. Some say the path of our life is decided even before we are
       born and we cannot alter it.

       Say a person leaves home one morning for work and at a busy
       intersection is broadsided and killed by a driver running a red light.
       What if that same person chose to leave home a minute earlier or a
       minute later?  Would the accident still have taken place?  In other
       words, was death this persons fate and would they have died that day
       at that intersection no matter what choice they made? 
       
       I believe we are at any point in life because of the decisions we
       have made at major turing points in our lives.  They do not come very
       often and we may only have a handful of such events that require major
       life changing decisions.  For example, for most of us, our first
       turning point in life occurred when we graduated high school.  We
       suddendly had to chose from going to college, getting a job, starting
       a business or joining the military.  The choice that we made would
       start us down a path thay would later present another event requiring
       a major life changing decision.

       I believe in my life I can count four major turning points that
       account for where I am today. Did I make all of these choices of my
       own free will or was it fate that I am sitting here now in this time
       and place?  If I could go back in time and change any one of my past
       major life choices I would be most likely somewhere else--where I
       do not know.

       I feel rather comfortable with my life as it is now but I sometimes
       wonder if it would be much happer if I had made other life choices
       along the way.  But sadly we are not given the chance to change what
       is already history.  Maybe in our next life.     
       
       There is so much more that could be expressed on this topic but I'm
       afraid that this is something that is far above the feeble minds of
       mortal beings such as ourselves.  Until an Enlightened One resolves
       this question, I prefer to believe that I control my own destiny.


       my best to all,




       joanna

Quoteeverything will work itself out somehow

The first time it does not it is over.

I think your born with loads of options.
Each time you do anything you narrow your options.
Until you run out of all options and die.

Probabilities based on choices. Unless choice is just an illusion. We'll have to wait to see if the universe starts all over again and if we can do things differently, then we'll know for sure. Unless we can't remember what we did during this life time, I'd better write this down so I can read it next time. Oh I am writing it. Maybe I wrote it last time and lost it.

I believe that the laws of entropy pretty well dispatch any possibility of fate.  I believe that we have a freedom of choice.  And I also believe that we will face many situations where our choice or action has little weight in determining the final outcome.  These situations are not fate, they are just the cards we draw.

Cindi

How we choose what our tomorrow will be is by our own choices we make today. We make our own decisions and choices at every heart beat, and the choice you make will seal what will develop at some point in time in your future.

In other words we are the freewill agents that make the choice or decision of what tomorrow will be for us, negative or positive, all is yin and yang. Universe, which is ordered, synchronized, and whatever man throws at it, she will continue accounting for every one of even the tiniest subatomic particles that are all part of the Oneness. Universe constantly seeks to balance herself after the ripples have subsided, then all will return to order once more.

Cindy

Choices are what they are, fate is what you say happened when you look back from the end to say, "Gee, I guess it was fate."

I think fate can happen from the choices that one makes but the choices will normally come from one's free will.  I would like to think that not everything is intertwined with fate though but I do have my doubts about it.  Some outcomes may just happen just out of a higher probability, conicidence, or just common sense. 

Say for example you went to a restaruant for dinner and you narrowed your choice down to soup or a sandwich and you choose soup and then you waste some soup on your shirt.  Initially would fate be to blame for that?  Was that destined to happen? Would the same thing happen if you had just ordered a sandwich? I wouldn't think so at first.  I would just write it off as an accident.

But I do believe fate can work in mysterious ways.  Lets say you are at that same restaruant and ordered the soup and wasted it on your clothes that were dry clean only.  You talk your clothes to the cleaners and strike up a convo with the person cleaning your clothes and eventually go out on a date, get together, fall in love and get married.  Now would I think that had to be fate?  Most definately and it would get me everytime to imagine that fate could have been easily changed had I ordered the sandwich and not messed up my clothes but that just goes back to choice.  I guess in the end we just play the cards we have and see what happens from there.

Quote from: Malachite on March 20, 2012, 05:34:56 AM
I think fate can happen from the choices that one makes but the choices will normally come from one's free will.  I would like to think that not everything is intertwined with fate though but I do have my doubts about it.  Some outcomes may just happen just out of a higher probability, conicidence, or just common sense. 

Say for example you went to a restaruant for dinner and you narrowed your choice down to soup or a sandwich and you choose soup and then you waste some soup on your shirt.  Initially would fate be to blame for that?  Was that destined to happen? Would the same thing happen if you had just ordered a sandwich? I wouldn't think so at first.  I would just write it off as an accident.

But I do believe fate can work in mysterious ways.  Lets say you are at that same restaruant and ordered the soup and wasted it on your clothes that were dry clean only.  You talk your clothes to the cleaners and strike up a convo with the person cleaning your clothes and eventually go out on a date, get together, fall in love and get married.  Now would I think that had to be fate?  Most definately and it would get me everytime to imagine that fate could have been easily changed had I ordered the sandwich and not messed up my clothes but that just goes back to choice.  I guess in the end we just play the cards we have and see what happens from there.

I like this, you really never know, what fate has install for you. But I do believe in choice, but some times the choices are not entirely clear at the time, or if there are any other choices to be made. Rash actions can lead to fateful conclusions too.

Quote from: Kitty_Babe on March 20, 2012, 05:44:26 AM
I like this, you really never know, what fate has install for you. But I do believe in choice, but some times the choices are not entirely clear at the time, or if there are any other choices to be made. Rash actions can lead to fateful conclusions too.

Most definately!  I find myself trying to analyze even the smallest of choices because of potential outcomes.  I'm a very indecisive person.  What makes it hard are the shades of grey painted within each choice.  If there are positives and negatives on each side then that choice becomes harder and as soon as I do make that choice I automatically feel that I should have made the other choice just because.