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Androgyne and HRT

Started by Melanie Anne, March 01, 2012, 12:28:34 PM

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ativan

 http://www.phs.umn.edu/  they may be able to answer a lot of questions for low dose HRT, as well as full transition HRT.
Like I wrote, if your Doctor needs more current information, they are a great source.

Ativan
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Melanie Anne

I'm going to a therapist today (finally) and can't wait to discuss these things with her. By the way, as an update, I've gone back away from the whole androgyne thing. I'm definitely a woman but because I don't see myself doing a full transition I think I was looking for a way to justify my path. I don't feel that I need to be accepted in society as a woman (as some of you do). I just want to feel better about myself. So I brought up this androgyne and HRT thing because I really want to do HRT without ever presenting to society as female. I guess that can bring certain complications as changes happen, but no matter what HRT does (except maybe C-cup boobs), I'll still be bald with a heavy beard and a deep voice so I can't see that people will confuse me appearance for that of a woman's. Is anyone else currently on this path?
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Eva Marie

Quote from: Melanie Anne on March 24, 2012, 08:16:53 AM
I'm going to a therapist today (finally) and can't wait to discuss these things with her. By the way, as an update, I've gone back away from the whole androgyne thing. I'm definitely a woman but because I don't see myself doing a full transition I think I was looking for a way to justify my path. I don't feel that I need to be accepted in society as a woman (as some of you do). I just want to feel better about myself. So I brought up this androgyne and HRT thing because I really want to do HRT without ever presenting to society as female. I guess that can bring certain complications as changes happen, but no matter what HRT does (except maybe C-cup boobs), I'll still be bald with a heavy beard and a deep voice so I can't see that people will confuse me appearance for that of a woman's. Is anyone else currently on this path?

To some degree our paths are similar, except that when i'm in girl mode appearance is pretty important to me.
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Kinkly

Quote from: Melanie Anne on March 24, 2012, 08:16:53 AM


I'm going to a therapist today (finally) and can't wait to discuss these things with her. By the way, as an update, I've gone back away from the whole androgyne thing. I'm definitely a woman but because I don't see myself doing a full transition I think I was looking for a way to justify my path. I don't feel that I need to be accepted in society as a woman (as some of you do). I just want to feel better about myself. So I brought up this androgyne and HRT thing because I really want to do HRT without ever presenting to society as female. I guess that can bring certain complications as changes happen, but no matter what HRT does (except maybe C-cup boobs), I'll still be bald with a heavy beard and a deep voice so I can't see that people will confuse me appearance for that of a woman's. Is anyone else currently on this path?

I present full time as Bearded Lady although I do get get He / sir more then I like I'm also planning to just Do HRT but often think of surgeries 
I don't want to be a man there from Mars
I'd Like to be a woman Venus looks beautiful
I'm enjoying living on Pluto, but it is a bit lonely
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sophia001

Hi Melanie,

Just want to show my thanks for you posting this, I saw a lot of what I'd like for myself in what you posted and feel like I may be on the same path as you in the not too distant future. You are so lucky to have a wife that is so accepting, I think mine is the same but things are at a much earlier stage.

Will be keeping an eye on this thread please keep us updated :)


edit: just realised it's a bit of an old thread, any update on your appointment at the therapists? hope it went well!

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Shantel

I had initially intended to transition fully, but due to my age, my profession at the time and my marital status coupled with family considerations I eventually opted for an androgynous presentation. I would have had an excellent outcome, but after all of those previously mentioned considerations there is the business of the absolute necessity of having an extensive female wardrobe I'd have to continually roll over to remain fashionable with enough shoes and matching purses. Then there is the daily application of makeup and use of skin care products, light perfumes, nails. My hair is grey and thinning on the crown, I would need professional help there and constant coloring tune-ups so my roots wouldn't show. Or I could get a variety of expensive human hair wigs. Following SRS I'd be faced with having to dialate to keep the vagina from growing shut. Then there is a second surgery depending on which SRS surgeon you go to. Some surgeons don't do the labia minora during the initial surgery. Then if I had needed breast implants I'd be faced with the prospect of possibly having to have them changed every ten years (something they don't tell you about up front) Eventually I decided that being a full-time woman would be more than I wanted to deal with and took a pass on it. I have completed all of the steps, counseling, letters of recommendation, some FFS, electrolysis, HRT, an orchiectomy, even a SRS pre-surgery meeting with Dr. Bowers several years ago. I live in Washington state and could get gender markers changed easily at this point but decided that it too was too much trouble. I'm quite happy just being me, My marriage and family is still intact and I have grown content with where I am at this point. I'm glad that I stepped back and counted the cost!
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helen2010

Ativan
My endo has been very receptive to working with me to get the right E and spiro combination.  Started on normal hrt dosage for mtf transition.  Loved the emotional effects and loss of dysphoria but uncomfortable with rapid physical changes.   Reduced the E and rate of change decreased.  Then found my head was too fuzzy and found that I was not thinking as clearly as I like - almost fuzzy.  Reduced the spiro and all good but slight hair growth of concern so flexed the dosage.  Am now in a very good place but ironically wish to refine my neck due to some FFS scars/lumps which I wish to remove.
Am also contemplating removal of both breasts as they feel like an anomaly given I no longer feel the need to transition.   Quite a journey so far but the low dose hrt has really given me control and comfort.  It has worked for this MTA!
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aleon515

Just wanted to say I relate but in the other way. I started thinking I was really androgyne and that any thoughts about being male were because I was clearly female bodied. Now I wonder about all that. The more male I am going the more happy I am (mostly presentation and watching male mannerisms and so on). I have been thinking of low dose T. I haven't made any decisions. There are with all hormones both reversible and irreversible effects. You have to think how you would react if the things you don't like so well (and there will be those) are not reversible.

--Jay Jay
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Jamie D

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ativan

#29
Quote from: Jamie D on August 07, 2012, 01:19:04 AM
I miss you Shantel.
As do I.
There are others out there, for myself, also.
I know why some are gone, and I worry about them at times.
If things had only been more accepted in some situations...
Had they had been able to find or stay on their paths, they might still be around.
For some it was just time to move on to other forests.
Maybe they define that differently, I haven't asked, there hasn't been a need to.
For some, it was the difficulties in being able to express or explore their thoughts.
Some things have changed, while others are still in a process of sorts.
Maybe they'll be back, but I know why some may not.
Acceptance is a hard thing to come by, sometimes.
Accepting some things as they are, can also be difficult.
I try to keep an open mind about it all, as I hope others will too, it's difficult.
It's difficult to find the trust and comfort that one needs, at times.
Sometimes you just have to find that in other ways.
Being non-binary isn't as accepted in the Trans* world as much as we could be.
Sometimes we are blamed for others ill perceived inability to be accepted in the cis-binary world.
Others may not know or even care if we have a Chick-fil-a, or not.
The more we stay quiet and remain invisible to the world, the happier they seem to be.


Ativan
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Joann

Quote from: Melanie Anne on March 17, 2012, 10:17:34 AM

I already feel like some change has happened within me - I'm able to open up more and be myself more where before I always repressed saying things or acting a certain way. Now I'm just being who I'm comfortable being (which is hard since I've been repressing things for so long I'm having to rediscover who I really am). I'm really getting excited now and less stressed because the time is coming that I'll be able to do something about this. I have an appointment with a therapist next weekend so I'll finally be able to talk these things through with a professional. Wish me luck and I'll post updates if anyone's interested!


Please keep us updated. I too am in a similar situation as you. 3 months ago i realized i was Androgyne and said " I dont want to dress, use makeup ect and now i do and like it. Now im also considering HRT. I had a temporary condition that caused me to make estrol and i felt the cool, calm, happy feelings along with a sense of relief, like i was were i should be and i relay liked it.
I dont want to close the libido dept either but then again having been on T  i wouldn't mind not wrestling with my pillow all night
♪♫ You dont look different but you have changed...
I'm looking through you,. Your not the same ♪♫ :)
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soulfairer

I missed you. But kept on track with my HRT and now I am more than a year and a half on it, only stopped for travelling. Also decided to get formal medical counseling. Sorry if I disappeared, even didn't connect to the IRC channel, but work has been hard on me and I am just thinking about life. Finally told some close friends who, most of them, expected something like that.

Felt like most of you. More emotional (but didn't become quite easy to cry), began having somewhat more fear in the streets. Orgasms are waaay different.

Physically, lost weight, waist became thinner (yay!), hips kept the same (already had become bigger before), neck and shoulders softened, hands became somewhat feminine (bones more apparent, nails changed), muscles everywhere lessened, hair became softer, hairline receded, etc.

And I still feel that both masculine and feminine parts are present, albeit more in an androgynous way.

But I am not certain of coming out, as the forest is cozy. And there's not exactly an urge of doing so, even having changed my wardrobe a lot (more feminine/androgynous clothes than before). Do you think one can really just stay in the forest?
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ativan

'Do you think one can really just stay in the forest?'

I hope so.

Ativan
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Shantel

Quote from: Jamie D on August 07, 2012, 01:19:04 AM
I miss you Shantel.

Bless you Jamie D and Ativan, you're sweet kids! I can say that because I'm older than dirt! I missed everyone here too, that and the ever present GID issues brought me back!  :)
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Shantel

Quote from: soulfairer on September 01, 2012, 03:49:12 AM
I missed you. I am not certain of coming out, as the forest is cozy. And there's not exactly an urge of doing so, even having changed my wardrobe a lot (more feminine/androgynous clothes than before). Do you think one can really just stay in the forest?

Missed you too!

Staying in the forest is cozy but not an option. Animals do that because they fear man, but you can't afford to remain fearful because fear is the enemy of your own self esteem, social growth and development throughout this secondary puberty you're experiencing. You'll get clocked at times along with the occasional stares as if you are some kind of anomaly. So what? Deal with it and be who you want to be. I present androgene, typically in tight clingy T-shirt or one of Victoria Secret's fabulous tops, soft cup racerback bra because I have real boobs, baseball cap and skinny jeans. I went through all of that just the same, now it has diminished considerably because I exude personal confidence and poise in public. And the few dorks that want to stare get asked in a loud tone of voice, "What are you looking at?" Invariably they always become embarrassed at my reaction and become fearful that others will know that they were staring at me instead of the nice looking woman next to me and scurry away. It's a psychological method of turning the tables. Come out of the forest, you can handle it.
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ativan

It took awhile, to understand the beauty, of just letting go.

Simple line from a simple song.
But when I sing it myself, when I sing it about me, to myself, it's taken on a different meaning.

"Let Him Fly"
Ain't no talkin to this man
Ain't no pretty other side
Ain't no way to understand the stupid words of pride
It would take an acrobat, and I already tried all that so
I'm gonna let him fly
Things can move at such a pace
The second hand just waved goodbye
You know the light has left his face
But you can't recall just where or why
So there was really nothing to it
I just went and cut right through it
I said I'm gonna let him fly

There's no mercy in a live wire
No rest at all in freedom
Of the choices we are given
It's no choice at all
The proof is in the fire
You touch before it moves away
But you must always know how long to stay and when to go

And there ain't no talkin to this man
He's been tryin to tell me so
It took awhile to understand the beauty of just letting go
Cause it would take an acrobat, I already tried all that
So, I'm gonna let him fly
I'm gonna let him fly
I'm gonna let him fly

The forest will always feel like home...
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BlueSloth

Wait a minute, is all this coming out stuff about coming out of the forest, or coming out of the closet?

I like the forest.
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Joann

Perhaps the forest will be home for me as well. The more i search my self the more i feel i don't need to present as a woman.But i want to celebrate the feminine within.
I don't have the typical dysphoria a M2F has. I like my male musculature and feminine features But want the emotional stability i  briefly enjoyed with elevated E levels.
Since some androgynes never fully transition we need a place to call home.
♪♫ You dont look different but you have changed...
I'm looking through you,. Your not the same ♪♫ :)
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ativan

Quote from: BlueSloth on September 02, 2012, 03:49:01 AM
Wait a minute, is all this coming out stuff about coming out of the forest, or coming out of the closet?

I like the forest.
The forest became home. It was a way of 'coming out of the closet'.
It's still home, wouldn't trade it for anything.

As things change, for myself, as society changes, it serves no useful purpose to hide away here.
If ever we are going to be accepted as legitimate Trans* people in our own right, we need to be visible.
This may just be a personal thing, to maintain ourselves as visible, for each of us.
It may be becoming more visible in our communities, the world.
It's not for everyone to just walk out and proclaim that I am Trans*.
But hiding away in the safety of the forest may not be all that beneficial in the long run for some of us.
We can, of course, never be seen by anyone but maybe some of the other forest dwellers. No problem there.

It's up to each of us, on our own terms, to define just how visible we are in real life.
It would be a more perfect world if we didn't have to worry or care what others may think.
But that's never the perfect world for anyone.

In some ways, we will never be able to function in a truly 'stealth' mode.
I think for some Trans* people, life would be more accepting if those who chose stealth, hadn't.
It's not hard to understand why they have. Life goes on, just as it should.
Cis* people would have a much better understanding that it is not just a 'man in a dress', as it were.
The same thing applies to us, but because we are fundamentally different as Trans*, stealth is not defined as such.
For sure, the stereotypes applies to varying degrees, as it does for everyone.
But we have, in a lot of cases, the ability to be running in a semi-stealth kind of mode.
Cis people aren't as likely to be finger pointing and commenting on what they don't understand.
We can, a lot of the time, be seen as just effeminate males or tomboys.
Society gives us more leeway. They haven't a clue that 'unicorns' do actually exist.
They get the androgynous presentation, they don't understand Androgyn, or being non-binary.

Coming out of the forest is a function of telling society that we are real.
The fashion industry is a good example and it is making us more visible, and more acceptable.
We have a long ways to go. Bigots of the world have united behind the religious right.
There comes a time for some of us to shed the effeminate male or tomboy look for who we are.
To stand up and be counted as just another person. To be judged as people, not some aberration.
For sure, people are judged by their looks all the time.
Different people appeal to others in different ways. Or don't appeal in their appearance.
But it is rare that a person would be considered to not be a person just by presentation alone.

Bigots rely on misguided moral bearings to justify their viewpoints, their fears, that they try to force on society.
They will always be around, being bigots about this or that. Some of us do the very same thing.
We are becoming more accepted all the time, by a growing majority of people.
It's getting to be acceptable to be able to leave the forest when we want, to not have to hide.
Many Trans* people have been hiding out of fear. We have less to fear than ever before.
That's not to say that there isn't still reasons to live in some kind of fear, there's just less of it.

Maybe it's not so much coming out of the closet as it is leaving the door open.
Maybe it's not so much leaving the forest as it is inviting people to visit.
I prefer the latter, to be honest. I'm still not ready to just walk out into the world.
But I am more than willing to show anyone around the many paths that are a part of the forest.
It's a fine place to be for those of us who so choose.
Visitors can learn it is a home for many people. Who are not unlike themselves.
There are going to be some who will come out of their closets and choose to stay.

Becoming more visible is a win situation.
You become more acceptable of yourself.
It helps to dispel the fears that aren't justifiable, even when some will still be.
Others are more willing to accept you.
It helps to dispel that  myth of 'a man in a dress' stereotype.
(Regardless of those bigots within the Trans* world who would place that blame on us because the fashion world accepts us.)
(It is unfortunate that some will find anything to force their personal viewpoints, their fears, onto others)
It is helping the Cis people to understand, and as they understand it more, the more acceptable we all become.
By being more visible, we help other Trans* people, which in turn helps us, greatly.

We all have this opportunity to make life better for everyone, with less bigotry in the world.
We can take it and run.
We can just do what we feel comfortable in doing to help that.
We don't have to do anything.
We have a choice, and whatever that choice is, it will be right for you to make it.

I have chosen to move forward, one step at a time. With less fear than I had before.
I might not be leaving the forest, but I am willing to step out of it when it suites me.
I am not alone. None of us are. Not anymore.

Ativan

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Shantel

Quote from: Ativan Prescribed on September 02, 2012, 11:38:49 AM

I have chosen to move forward, one step at a time. With less fear than I had before.
I might not be leaving the forest, but I am willing to step out of it when it suites me.
I am not alone. None of us are. Not anymore.

Ativan

Amen to that!
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