Quote from: Jeneva on March 24, 2012, 10:25:25 AM
Ok, I'll admit I'm very intolerant to tearing apart our community with arbitrary labels.  We HAVE to stand together to have a chance at real rights.

Dividing and isolating and "grading" people doesn't provide support or education.

All labels are arbitrary.  Bad ideas end up in the trash heap of history, but not without discussion and debate.

Quote from: Jamie D on March 24, 2012, 01:31:49 PM
All labels are arbitrary.  Bad ideas end up in the trash heap of history, but not without discussion and debate.

The problem is that HSTS/->-bleeped-<- ASSIGN labels to people.

We should only have to accept labels that we choose for ourselves.

There is a reason that none of our gender therapists use the HSTS/->-bleeped-<- standards and that is because they are ALREADY in the trash heap.

Quote from: peky on March 24, 2012, 10:10:32 AM
JD postings, as cyclical or repetitious as they may be, do represent a cry for help. Nobody better than ourselves know that what JD is experiencing is not rare or alien to many of us. We have hear over and over how one person started with an occasional CD, progressing into full TV, and finally reaching an overt TS stage. For others the a full blown TS manifest early in live.

From JD postings I gather that his religious and social background and education have forged a strong sense of masculine pride and masculine oriented identification and pride. On the other hand he no doubt has a form of GID, and the clash of them have JD in pain and anguish. JD is looking for a solution and explanation to his/her situation. In a way the ->-bleeped-<- -with its potential to offer a cure as it just a paraphyllia- can be attractive solution.

I for one would like to extend my support to JD and I do welcome his/her postings, and I do not think he/she is a troll.

Courage JD

Jd repeatedly posts much the same thing and has been told many, many times to seek help with a reputable gender therapist, both here and at other sites. This is advice that JD has repeatedly ignored and has continued to see sub-par (being nice) therapists about the issues they are having.. If JD will not help JD, is there really any point to us trying?

Quote from: kelly_aus on March 24, 2012, 05:35:58 PM
Jd repeatedly posts much the same thing and has been told many, many times to seek help with a reputable gender therapist, both here and at other sites. This is advice that JD has repeatedly ignored and has continued to see sub-par (being nice) therapists about the issues they are having.. If JD will not help JD, is there really any point to us trying?

I understand! What a pitty he/she disregards good advice.

google his user name. He/she's been to dozens of sights and asks the same exact questions as she/he does here...even on gaming forums. Hell, even on the gaming forums they have given him some good advice....the exact mirrored type advice we have given him/her here.

But JD still continues to post. He/she'll post the questions at dozens of sights but will never read the responses and take them to heart.

I get suspicious of that.

Quote from: Annah on March 24, 2012, 06:41:22 PM
google his user name. He/she's been to dozens of sights and asks the same exact questions as she/he does here...even on gaming forums. Hell, even on the gaming forums they have given him some good advice....the exact mirrored type advice we have given him/her here.

But JD still continues to post. He/she'll post the questions at dozens of sights but will never read the responses and take them to heart.

I get suspicious of that.

I do not disagree with your post and your feelings, yet I cannot help but feel compassion for his/her tormented soul.

Except I have finally started to see a gender therapist over Skype. I've already been to two sessions. I think he can really help me get to the bottom of this and he has already suggested things that other therapists have not (keeping a journal, not masturbating).

Quote from: jdinatale on March 24, 2012, 10:47:02 PM
Except I have finally started to see a gender therapist over Skype. I've already been to two sessions. I think he can really help me get to the bottom of this and he has already suggested things that other therapists have not (keeping a journal, not masturbating).

I really hope you take some of the advice you get - very often it may be something that you may not want to do, but it may be for your own good in the long term.

Otherwise you may well be the proverbial "horse that is led to water... that won't drink".

Quote from: jdinatale on March 24, 2012, 10:47:02 PM
Except I have finally started to see a gender therapist over Skype. I've already been to two sessions. I think he can really help me get to the bottom of this and he has already suggested things that other therapists have not (keeping a journal, not masturbating).

Is it another Latter Day Saint therapist or a secular therapist?

Quote from: Annah on March 25, 2012, 08:31:27 PM
Is it another Latter Day Saint therapist or a secular therapist?

Secular. Although I did get another LDS therapist. Now I have three: the gender therapist, the LDS therapist, and my school therapist.

Quote from: jdinatale on March 24, 2012, 10:47:02 PM
Except I have finally started to see a gender therapist over Skype. I've already been to two sessions. I think he can really help me get to the bottom of this and he has already suggested things that other therapists have not (keeping a journal, not masturbating).

It is not easy to find a true gender therapist, even in a metropolitan area.  Using an internet method may be the next best thing.  I think that's a step in the right direction.

Are you open to what the GT may have to say?  What if he does not support the earlier "autogynophilia" diagnosis?

For what it is worth, I suggested that JD see the therapist I went to. He is an excellent doctor, has helped over a 120 trans* peeps transition during his career, and is not a gatekeeper type.

He is also one HELLUVA a karaoke singer!

Quote from: jdinatale on March 25, 2012, 08:41:32 PM
Secular. Although I did get another LDS therapist. Now I have three: the gender therapist, the LDS therapist, and my school therapist.

Wow, you're seeing 3 therapists at the same time? Is that ethical? I would suggest just seeing one therapist, like the gender one if your gender issues are pressing you. I've been to pastoral counseling and it was very biased and anti-trans/gay. From the other posts I've read of yours, it seems as if your therapist(s) are very biased against transition. Granted, transition might not be right for you, but YOU need to make that decision, not a therapist. Especially one that thinks no one should transition and it's a sin, etc.

I couldnt comprehend seeing three therapist at the same time. Especially when one of them are going to give the opposite advice than the other. It is a nightmare in the making.

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OOOH - must read more ( lol )

Quote from: Annah on March 26, 2012, 12:11:17 PM
I couldnt comprehend seeing three therapist at the same time. Especially when one of them are going to give the opposite advice than the other. It is a nightmare in the making.

I am pretty sure he is seeing his church therapist to keep peace in the family.  Those who have read his past posts know what a explosive situation he is in.

is he a minor? Or an adult?

Quote from: Jamie D on March 26, 2012, 01:56:42 PM
I am pretty sure he is seeing his church therapist to keep peace in the family.  Those who have read his past posts know what a explosive situation he is in.

This. It gives my parents/sisters hope for them to see me seeing a LDS therapist.

Quote from: Annah on March 26, 2012, 03:26:48 PM
is he a minor? Or an adult?

I don't know where you're from, but over here, if you live in your parent's home, then you abide by their rules. If you don't like it, then you can move out. They are letting you stay in their home by their own benevolence without any real obligation, and the least you can do is respect their wishes.

Quote from: jdinatale on March 26, 2012, 04:16:48 PM
This. It gives my parents/sisters hope for them to see me seeing a LDS therapist.

I don't know where you're from, but over here, if you live in your parent's home, then you abide by their rules. If you don't like it, then you can move out. They are letting you stay in their home by their own benevolence without any real obligation, and the least you can do is respect their wishes.

Poster "Tekla" made a similar comment in another thread, concerning his father's house rules.

When I was 18, I went to college and left my parent's home. Got my degree and went out in the world. What I did is in no way saying mine is the only right way.

But when you are in your 20s and living at home and then having to conform to their religious convictions when it comes to picking out a therapist for you (a LDS therapist...which isn't there to make you feel more comfortable about yourself...but there to show that you are living a life of sin and it is their job to make you change back) is not an ideal situation.

Yes, when you live under their roof you do have to abide to their rules. I completely respect that. But there needs to be a distinction between what they want and want you need.


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One biggest piece of advice I can give you is to change the username you use if you wish to go slow with this with your parents. If your parents google "jdinatale", it's going to make life a lot harder for you. You're everywhere on the internet. You have no privacy on google. And an LDS therapist will google that if they discover you use jdinatale. Im assuming your last name is DiNatale and your first name is John. I would work hard on eliminating that issue if you continue to use a religious therapist. It's just more ammunition against you.

I wont even go into the fact if I type jdinatale in google image search, there is over 42 image pages of you and many of us here at Susan's (which concerns me because of their privacy wishes). That's not good. You seriously need to fix that. I found a pic of me when I typed in your name. I find that a very troubling. (last pic on page 19 under your name). You have pics of Padme, Melody and Stephe  near a pic of you with two penis ejaculating on your face at the very beginning of the image search.

If you want to have a good experience with your church therapist, I recommend getting rid of those ASAP.