I don't know why but Jail/Prison is freaking me out right now.
I'm not a bad kid, VERY far from it. But like I wonder what if something happens, an accident or something.
I'm really worried. I don't know but for whatever damn reason it's been bothering me bad for a couple days now.
Argh. >.<

My girlfriend says I think too much. v_v

prisons are hell out creepy, agree.
But if your really done nothing wrong then you shouldnt worry too much,
accident isnt that common, if, if something can always happent and we can use all our life worry about something who would never happent.

Dont worry about it until it actually happens I always find myself worry about things that never end up happening, or they turn out different for the better!

I wish I could tell you that everything will be 100 percent alright if you just live by the book and follow all the rules but that's lying. Corruption within the system and accidents that results in incarcerations happen more than people would like to think.

As a criminal justice major my best advice to you is to inform yourself of all your local rules and regulations and rights.  Many people are uninformed and have their rights violated without evening knowing it.  Know what the police can and can not do according to your rights.  They may do it anyway but it's best to be prepared so you can call them out on it when the time comes.

I wish I knew what to tell you concerning accidents but just try not to put yourself in a compromising position if you can help it.

They'll just stick you in solitary so no one can hurt you

Be good!

Quote from: Geek on March 27, 2012, 03:53:21 AM
They'll just stick you in solitary so no one can hurt you

Be good!

Really? I guess all those rape statistics mean nothing when it comes to TS in prison.
Yes, Be Good.

Don't fret too much.  If a cop tries to arrest you, deny you don't understand the rights read to you (you're allowed to deny this , at least according to the ex who graduated with a degree in Criminal Justice) which means they can't arrest you plus it would annoy the hell out of them, though I'm sure they'll come up with something to arrest you anyway.  Also, clam up and say you want a lawyer if they do arrest you even if you aren't guilty.

Quote from: Gretchen on March 27, 2012, 05:49:13 AM
Really? I guess all those rape statistics mean nothing when it comes to TS in prison.
Yes, Be Good.

Well yeah, that's just what I've heard though, can't say I've been locked up. It's probably different in different countries too, but I can't imagine anyone thinking it would be safe to put any TG person in with the general pop, people get raped in there all the time, imagine what would happen if they found out you had a vagina.

It can happen.  My dad just got out of six years in a state prison because some girl he had a relationship with 20 years ago got the idea in her head that she could get some money from him and accused him of raping her way back then.  She tried to blackmail him saying if he gave her all this money, she'd drop the charges, but we wouldn't give it to her.  And in most places, if a female says a male raped her, it doesn't matter if it's true or not, the jury always believes the girl.

It's also why I want to get out of classroom teaching.  I know it doesn't happen often, but it's happening more and more that teachers, especially male teachers, get accused of stuff like that whether it's true or not.  And having watched my own father's life ruined by it, I'm a bit more paranoid about stuff like that than most people.  I don't want to be a male teacher in an elementary classroom and I DEFINITELY don't want any parents to find out I'm transgender because that could start a LOT of ->-bleeped-<- with people thinking I'm some pervert.

Most prisons do segregate prisoners, though.  For instance, my dad was a model prisoner who never hurt anyone and so he was put in a cell block with other model prisoners.  The idiots who would go around hurting people were all put together, so he wasn't really worried about it.

Don't do anything to get yourself put in prison, but don't kid yourself that just by being a law abiding citizen you won't end up in prison anyway.  But most prisons aren't as bad as the big federal scary places you see on TV.  Most prisoners just want to serve their time and most prisons segregate those who don't.  Most will also segregate you if you think you're in danger from being trans.  Also, if you haven't had surgery yet, you'd go to a female prison.

If you live in an area where people commit worse crimes there are more chances they will get sent there than you. Kinda like when i lived in N. Calif and everybody grew pot the cops were mostly after those who tried to rob people verses the pot growers. Hey be good and live in an area where there are few cops.. I live amongst the amish and mennonites and am my moms caregiver so its pretty cool here. I barely ever see police. Don't drink and drive or do anything to get in trouble. hugs D

Quote from: Geek on March 27, 2012, 08:16:07 AM
Well yeah, that's just what I've heard though, can't say I've been locked up. It's probably different in different countries too, but I can't imagine anyone thinking it would be safe to put any TG person in with the general pop, people get raped in there all the time, imagine what would happen if they found out you had a vagina.

From what I heard, unless the sex marker on your records (various licenses, on social security, etc.) has been changed to show your true gender,  then you'll be stuck going to the prison of your biological sex.  I got to watch a neat documentary where there was a TS female who went by female pronouns and even a female name was placed within an all-male prison.  This was because she had not even come close to transitioning and didn't have the gender marker changed on her records.  What your biological sex seems to dictate what prison you're sent to.

Quote from: Lynn Gabriel on March 27, 2012, 02:32:32 PM
From what I heard, unless the sex marker on your records (various licenses, on social security, etc.) has been changed to show your true gender,  then you'll be stuck going to the prison of your biological sex.  I got to watch a neat documentary where there was a TS female who went by female pronouns and even a female name was placed within an all-male prison.  This was because she had not even come close to transitioning and didn't have the gender marker changed on her records.  What your biological sex seems to dictate what prison you're to.

Pretty much.

Quote from: Lynn Gabriel on March 27, 2012, 08:00:11 AM
Don't fret too much.  Also, clam up and say you want a lawyer if they do arrest you even if you aren't guilty.

Yup pretty much this.  Time can be your best buddy and stalling is good.  You don't have to be charged with anything to be arrested at least in the states.

Quote from: Lynn Gabriel on March 27, 2012, 08:00:11 AM
Don't fret too much.  If a cop tries to arrest you, deny you don't understand the rights read to you (you're allowed to deny this , at least according to the ex who graduated with a degree in Criminal Justice) which means they can't arrest you plus it would annoy the hell out of them, though I'm sure they'll come up with something to arrest you anyway.  Also, clam up and say you want a lawyer if they do arrest you even if you aren't guilty.

I'm sorry, but that's not true.  You don't have to be read the Miranda rights at your arrest.  They must be read before interrogation though.  It doesn't have to take place immediately after your arrest.  So they could arrest you without reading the Miranda rights and/or without your understanding of them.  They just can't ask you questions.

Quote from: Adio on March 27, 2012, 03:54:26 PM
I'm sorry, but that's not true.  You don't have to be read the Miranda rights at your arrest.  They must be read before interrogation though.  It doesn't have to take place immediately after your arrest.  So they could arrest you without reading the Miranda rights and/or without your understanding of them.  They just can't ask you questions.

No the police cannot arrest you without reading your Miranda rights.  This is according to the book "Criminal Procedure From First Contact To Appeal Fourth Edition" by John L Worrall on page 256.  I will quote the following passage below from this book:

"Many people believe that Miranda rights apply whenever the police begin to question a person.  This is not the case; if a person being question is not in custody, Miranda rights do not apply.  Simple police questioning, or even a full-blown interrogation, is not enough to trigger the protections afforded by the Fifth Amendment.  The person subjected to such questioning must be in police custody.

What is custody?  The Court announced that Miranda applies when "a person has been taken into custody or otherwise deprived of his freedom of action in any significant way."  An arrest is a clear-cut case of police custody   but what about a lesser intrusion?  Unfortuantely, there is no easy answer to this question.  Instead, the courts have chosen to focus on the circumstances surrounding each individual case.  The Court has stated, however, that "the only relevant inquiry {in analyzing the custody issue} is how a reasonable man in the suspect's position would have understood his situation" (Berkemer v. McCarty, 468 U.S. 420 [1984], p. 442)."


I read and typed exactly from the book and typed it verbatim and I have attached a visual reference of the book.

Just get sent to a women's prison and be a stud. I watched this reality show and they followed a stud, they weren't trans. It didn't seem that bad at all, they had it pretty good. Really the only thing bad that happened was when her jealous girlfriends stirred up drama that got her sent to solitary. Or getting caught having sex.

Quote from: Sharky on March 27, 2012, 06:07:22 PM
Just get sent to a women's prison and be a stud. I watched this reality show and they followed a stud, they weren't trans. It didn't seem that bad at all, they had it pretty good. Really the only thing bad that happened was when her jealous girlfriends stirred up drama that got her sent to solitary. Or getting caught having sex.

What was the name of the documentary you watched?  It sounds like the same one I watched.

Quote from: Lynn Gabriel on March 27, 2012, 06:14:56 PM
What was the name of the documentary you watched?  It sounds like the same one I watched.

I don't remember.

Quote from: Malachite on March 27, 2012, 04:23:46 PM
No the police cannot arrest you without reading your Miranda rights.  This is according to the book "Criminal Procedure From First Contact To Appeal Fourth Edition" by John L Worrall on page 256.  I will quote the following passage below from this book:

"Many people believe that Miranda rights apply whenever the police begin to question a person.  This is not the case; if a person being question is not in custody, Miranda rights do not apply.  Simple police questioning, or even a full-blown interrogation, is not enough to trigger the protections afforded by the Fifth Amendment.  The person subjected to such questioning must be in police custody.

What is custody?  The Court announced that Miranda applies when "a person has been taken into custody or otherwise deprived of his freedom of action in any significant way."  An arrest is a clear-cut case of police custody   but what about a lesser intrusion?  Unfortuantely, there is no easy answer to this question.  Instead, the courts have chosen to focus on the circumstances surrounding each individual case.  The Court has stated, however, that "the only relevant inquiry {in analyzing the custody issue} is how a reasonable man in the suspect's position would have understood his situation" (Berkemer v. McCarty, 468 U.S. 420 [1984], p. 442)."


I read and typed exactly from the book and typed it verbatim and I have attached a visual reference of the book.

I agree with that passage.  Questioning without arrest doesn't require the Miranda rights being read.  Questioning after arrest (or being taken into custody) does.  But the arrest itself does not trigger the Miranda rights being read.  The police can arrest you without ever questioning or interrogating you.

Quote from: Geek on March 27, 2012, 08:16:07 AM
Well yeah, that's just what I've heard though, can't say I've been locked up. It's probably different in different countries too, but I can't imagine anyone thinking it would be safe to put any TG person in with the general pop, people get raped in there all the time, imagine what would happen if they found out you had a vagina.

It probably depends on how long you are there. I spent the night in jail about 8 years ago and they ended up putting me in solitary. At first they put me in the mens holding cell, then someone realized that probably wasn't a good idea and moved me to a womens holding cell until I was processed.