I know that brain scans has shown that Transmens white and grey brain matter are like a biological males but does the brain function as a males. Like this article said that males aren't as socially sensitive and are better at spatial organization and mechanical stuff. So would a Transmans brain work as a biological males when it comes to stuff like that?

But not all biological males are good at spatial skills and some are more socially sensitive than most biological women.  So I think that transmen have just as much potential biologically to have the brain function of a bio-male and all that comes with it as bio-males.

Quote from: Kreuzfidel on April 02, 2012, 10:22:02 PM
But not all biological males are good at spatial skills and some are more socially sensitive than most biological women.  So I think that transmen have just as much potential biologically to have the brain function of a bio-male and all that comes with it as bio-males.

This ^ 

Like Kreuzfidel said it all depends on the person.

Quote from: Kreuzfidel on April 02, 2012, 10:22:02 PM
But not all biological males are good at spatial skills and some are more socially sensitive than most biological women.  So I think that transmen have just as much potential biologically to have the brain function of a bio-male and all that comes with it as bio-males.

Well wouldn't a biomale with a feminine brain normally identify as a female and be mtf? 

I think the idea of a "male brain" is rubbish.

Quote from: Nygeel on April 02, 2012, 11:01:41 PM
I think the idea of a "male brain" is rubbish.

Wouldn't that p much undermine the entire medical legitimacy of trans problems and make it just like any lifestyle choice?

Quote from: pretty on April 02, 2012, 11:10:44 PM
Wouldn't that p much undermine the entire medical legitimacy of trans problems and make it just like any lifestyle choice?

Honey, you seem to say what I though reading it.
But then we are talking to guys over here... don't forget that :-)

Axélle

Quote from: Axélle-Michélle on April 02, 2012, 11:19:35 PM
Honey, you seem to say what I though reading it.
But then we are talking to guys over here... don't forget that :-)

Axélle

I don't know what difference talking to guys would make, I am just saying it's kinda important that there are physical sex differences for there to be things like "trans rights" and etc. Because if it's just a personal preference with no brain composition component then it's about no more legitimate than wanting to be a vampire or a dog.

I've always view it that trans men had male brains and trans women had female brains. And that the brain gender and body gender mismatch is what made you trans.

Quote from: Sharky on April 02, 2012, 11:34:38 PM
I've always view it that trans men had male brains and trans women had female brains. And that the brain gender and body gender mismatch is what made you trans.

Oh well, so did I - but then as we all know guys have their way to see things somewhat different at times, don't they?
I see just THAT most every day, and then it seldom is much use to argue.
The "male component" of the brain? Maybe.

Axélle
PS: "rubbish" often just means: "I just don't like the idea, um" :-)

I agree that it isn't rubbish. The fact that research shows that there's a recorded difference between FTMs and biological females brain matter, means that this isn't fabricated BS that we have in our heads.

Our physiological difference within our brain is what MAKES us male. Gender is decided before our anatomical sex. This research is important, and for someone to say it's rubbish is completely undermining it T_T

However, I think what Nygeel meant was that the "stereotypical" male brain is rubbish. In other words, no one man thinks the same, and therefore does not have the same skills as society's notion of what makes a TRUE man.

First, there is no such thing as a "Transman". Second, that is a stereotype about the math and spacial reasoning. There is a correlation between being male and having those traits, but as with all generalizations, there are many exceptions.

Quote from: poptart on April 03, 2012, 12:14:43 AM
First, there is no such thing as a "Transman".

Pretty sure.. That trans men are real and not made up to scare you like Santa and the tooth fairy?

Quote from: Geek on April 03, 2012, 12:49:31 AM
Pretty sure.. That trans men are real and not made up to scare you like Santa and the tooth fairy?

Some people find it offensive when trans man is written as one word.

The problem with that is people find everything offensive, there is no way to not offend everyone, unless nothing is said at all - but that would be ridiculous, if something upsets you it doesn't make it "not real"  and it's just a missing space. People misspell all sorts of words that most kids could get correct :/

Quote from: Geek on April 03, 2012, 01:15:52 AM
The problem with that is people find everything offensive, there is no way to not offend everyone, unless nothing is said at all - but that would be ridiculous, if something upsets you it doesn't make it "not real"  and it's just a missing space. People misspell all sorts of words that most kids could get correct :/

Yes intention and context should be taken into account. Some people get offended too easily. I think it's important to look at what the speaker is actually trying to say instead of attaching meaning to what was said and then getting offended. You should be able to separate emotionally from the attached meaning and the actual message.

Quote from: Sharky on April 03, 2012, 02:12:38 AM
Yes intention and context should be taken into account. Some people get offended too easily. I think it's important to look at what the speaker is actually trying to say instead of attaching meaning to what was said and then getting offended. You should be able to separate emotionally from the attached meaning and the actual message.

I don't know what the OP meant, I can only assume they meant what they said. I dont know if they realize there is a big difference between "Transman" and "trans man", so I corrected it. I would just as easily have corrected a misplaced "your" to a "you're". Just the perfectionist in me....

Quote from: poptart on April 03, 2012, 02:28:03 AM
I would just as easily have corrected a misplaced "your" to a "you're". Just the perfectionist in me....

People get in a real piss over doing that    i love it 

Quote from: pretty on April 02, 2012, 11:10:44 PM
Wouldn't that p much undermine the entire medical legitimacy of trans problems and make it just like any lifestyle choice?

What people consider a "male brain" isn't the brain of somebody who identifies as male. Often times people with aspergers syndrome are labeled as having a "very male brain" yet I know a lot of trans women with aspergers so doesn't that invalidate their gender?

Quote from: Nygeel on April 03, 2012, 09:16:07 AM
What people consider a "male brain" isn't the brain of somebody who identifies as male. Often times people with aspergers syndrome are labeled as having a "very male brain" yet I know a lot of trans women with aspergers so doesn't that invalidate their gender?

which is told to be the reason why its pretty rare for females to get aspergers compared to males.
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I think the gender brain reseach is still not good enough to be taken too serious.
we know theres diffrent in the brains, and we know males and females tend to have diffrent brains, but we dont know enough about exactly whats make it diffrent or if its biologically or a culture matter.

the reasech who had been on male and female brains are pretty useless, because it was made on few people and the persons who made the test knew they where expected to be better or worse than the other, before they did so.

if you tell a person he will be very good at this job, or very bad at this, then he will automatically belive so and his result will more likely be better or worse, like if you say to someone running "YOU CAN DO IT YOU CAN DO IT" he will probably run longer than if you keep shouting "YOUR ALREADY LOST, YOU CANT WIN"

on that meaning I also on the other hand belive transgender reseash to be more trustfully than the general gender brain reasesh.
but as it said before I dont think only transgenders have more masculine or fememnine brain, it also said gay people got more femenine/masculine brain, again not tested enought for me to I would take it all seriuos.

but in that caise it fit pretty well since I got an unisex brain..