Quote from: Annah on April 10, 2012, 11:17:08 PM

What country are u from that requires you to wait 2 years? That's new to me.

Annah, in my state, the law is that you can't start HRT, even with parental consent (or so I was told), until you are at least eighteen. I honestly think this is unfair if the individual is sure that they are transsexual , especially since most people will have gone through the majority of their puberty by that time, meaning their epiphyseal plates will have closed and most of their secondary sex characteristics will have developed. Again, to people who are already positive they are in the wrong body at a young age, to watch it worsen and work against them is likely going to seem like torture.
  What I'm saying is that I've definitely heard of people being told that they have to wait and that it sucks, but yes, some places do still approach it that way.

Started at 17, and i'm 8 months in.

Haven't really noticed any changes that are drastic compared to transitioning girls who started HRT in their early 20's.
Maybe the estrogen isn't affecting me that much.

Quote from: Annah on April 11, 2012, 08:40:53 PM
I get suspicious when people brag that they are prettier than most other MtF.

I am pretty hot tho.
for being all ~natural~

Quote from: JoeyD on April 13, 2012, 01:19:27 PM
I am pretty hot tho.
for being all ~natural~

It's good you have confidence in yourself. I don't have any confidence and think I need a re-work!

Quote from: JasonRX on April 13, 2012, 12:59:05 PM
Annah, in my state, the law is that you can't start HRT, even with parental consent (or so I was told), until you are at least eighteen.

Not 100% sure, but I think most countries that don't allow HRT until 18 still permit the use of puberty blockers before that, so that secondary sex characteristics don't develop any further (or not much), everything depending on the open-mindedness, competence and opinion of the prescribing professional. As long as the professional is understanding, I think that in that case, it's quite an acceptable system: you don't exactly get to live a normal teenage girl/boy's life like you'd liked, but you can still do it (you theoretically remain androgynous, so I guess it's possible to pass) somehow, and, well, HRT is supposedly almost as effective at 18 as if you'd done it when you started blockers.

I'm 25, 6'10", and I have a mild receding hairline.  I am 2 days on estrogen and one month spiro.  I'm also a full-time student and work 32 hours a week.  Nothing worth having will come easy, and whether or not you start estrogen now or 2 years from now, IT WILL NOT CURE YOUR DEPRESSION.  You still will never bear children, never have a period, and more than likely never nurse a child.  Your hipbones and height and shoulder width (the skeletal width) will not change.  You may still have to do voice work, hair removal, possible ffs, and of course the costs and pain of srs and recovery.

You need to speak with a licensed psychologist.  This is not something that can be cured ... EVER.  You need to develop healthier behaviors for coping with your pain and you need to realize the blessing and virtues of your life, even if it means that these things remain outside the realm of your control.

Don't risk your health and your chance to experience the wonders and joys of life.  There is so much beauty in this world to throw it all away because you have a penis.

Quote from: Dhamma on April 14, 2012, 03:06:47 PMI'm also a full-time student and work 32 hours a week.

[offtopic]This is such a sad situation. Students shouldn't have to work so much...[/offtopic]

Apart from this, I think I missed something. Was this about depression? Can you put me back on track?

  Yeah T blockers are not enough, your limbs will still grow that's why alot of ts that transition really young are tall. They didn't receive estrogen treatments only T-blockers. If you take away T then you need some other sex hormones there to replace it.

  If you read the stories of some ts girls who started young and their parents or even they themselves got access to black market hormones and self-medicated estrogen & T-blockers they turned out small and petite like most women.

Different people, different bodies, different results... however, the bottom line is, you generally have an easier transition if you're in your teens, early 20s, or even younger that both (which is very rare, by the way). Unfortunately, I only figured out I was trans just after my 18th birthday... so my voice was already long gone in the male range. It depresses me to think about how things would be different had I only realized things sooner... but, even then, there is no saying what my family would have thought and done about it or even if I would have gotten on hormones at that age. Oh well... it is what it is, I guess.

MacKenzie: I was not talking about T blockers, but puberty blockers. Those do not halt growth, all right, but it slows it. Unless I deeply misunderstood something, someone on puberty blockers would definitely not grow as though they were going through male puberty.

Quote from: A on April 14, 2012, 07:05:28 PM
MacKenzie: I was not talking about T blockers, but puberty blockers. Those do not halt growth, all right, but it slows it. Unless I deeply misunderstood something, someone on puberty blockers would definitely not grow as though they were going through male puberty.

Oh sorry I misunderstood you. Aren't T-blockers and puberty blockers the same thing though?

Nope. Puberty blockers, if I remember well, inhibit the production of FSH and LH, which trigger pubertal maturation in many, if not all, aspects. They also incidentally work as T blockers, since it's those hormones that make the gonads produce hormone levels typical of teenage people.

Quote from: A on April 14, 2012, 08:44:59 PM
Nope. Puberty blockers, if I remember well, inhibit the production of FSH and LH, which trigger pubertal maturation in many, if not all, aspects. They also incidentally work as T blockers, since it's those hormones that make the gonads produce hormone levels typical of teenage people.

That's interesting I really had no idea there were puberty blockers.
I guess you do learn something new everyday! 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_%28male-to-female%29#GnRH_agonists

Actually, it's GnRH that's blocked, which in turn stops FSH and LH, which in turn blocks T. Quite the chain reaction.

Quote from: JoeyD on April 13, 2012, 01:19:27 PM
I am pretty hot tho.
for being all ~natural~

LOL

Quote from: Dhamma on April 14, 2012, 03:06:47 PM
I am 2 days on estrogen and one month spiro. whether or not you start estrogen now or 2 years from now, IT WILL NOT CURE YOUR DEPRESSION.

It cured mine. I haven't taken any form of depression medicine since March 2010.  YMMV

More than the age, is the genetics of each individual. In my case -and I am not comparing to anybody- a few years of spiro and 1/2 year of estro did the trick; but to start with I did not have facial or body hair to speak off, and my face features were soft...lucky me.

Voice is critical, and I am working on it.

Quote from: JoeyD on April 13, 2012, 01:19:27 PM
I am pretty hot tho.
for being all ~natural~

Yes you are pretty HOT, you go girl !!!!