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Should Stealth Posters Recuse Themselves?

Started by Shantel, April 15, 2012, 10:45:32 AM

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V M

Quote from: tekla on April 16, 2012, 12:13:15 AM
See, now my opinion is more important than other people's opinion.  I'm special.


All Animals Are Equal
people with avatars with their own pictures are more equal than others





No less valid.





No more either.

LOL... Everyone knows that those with fairies for avatars have a much more important opinion and are even more special  :laugh:
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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Ashley_C

We must move forward... not backwards, not to the side, not forwards, but always whirling, whirling, whirling towards freedom.

My mindless babbling are my own opinions and nothing more.
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kelly_aus

Quote from: Laura91 on April 16, 2012, 01:24:43 AM
Platypus defeats your fairy power.

*gain 100 points*

That's a puggle, not a real platypus.. :P
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Keaira

I'm sexy and I know it!  >:-)

I post pics of me in all my gory in my avatar. EXCEPT when i use Miri. But then again, she is my fursona and is still me.if requested I'll post a photo... Since transitioning, I don't mind taking them at all. As you might have noticed. :P
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Cindy

Can I just say that in all walks of life people need to be comfortable with what they do. I'm totally comfortable being me and I do not give a damn what people think about me. Other people from every dimension of life may feel different, and that is fine as well.
We need to respect each other.

It's pretty basic really.

Cindy
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vanna

Quote from: kelly_aus on April 15, 2012, 10:02:07 PM
I've posted a few pics in those threads, just to see what kinds of replies I get.. I don't really know why I bother though.. I don't get laughed at or funny looks in public.. Cis gendered people interact with me as if I am a woman.. In short, to cis gendered people I pass.. And I know some of you are going to suggest that a lot of it is just people being too polite to say anything.. I doubt it, society seems to be programmed to make fun of 'different' people..

As far as whether people without pics should comment? I say feel free, I post pics because I want to.. I don't care if someone works out my past.. But if you don't post pics, I'm sure you have a reason for doing so, it doesn't make your opinion any less valid..

This x1000

Many of us pass the so call cis gender test and have no need to display ourselves, also what of us who have good jobs and no one knows.

Out ourselves on a trans site and all that may entail, endanger themselves through easy web searches on pics.....that deserves a thread called being very dumb

Poor thread Op, if you are comfy with everyone knowing then fine opinions count whoever you are though.
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Julie Wilson

Quote from: Shantel on January 21, 2012, 08:30:29 PM
I am genetic male and present that way for the most part. My name here is my preferred nom de plume. There was a time several years ago that I was transitioning M2F, had orchiectomy, spent years on female HRT. Suddenly one day after i was called ma'am one time too many, I went home and threw my diamond ear piercings in the jewelry box and had my spouse give me a buzz cut. I quit HRT for two years and got sick. A human being needs a hormonal base and with that gone it became evident that my thyroid had almost flatlined. I found help from a smart naturopathic doctor who put me on a thyroid booster and back on female HRT. I do a couple of hours at the fitness center five days a week, 40 minutes cardio and the rest doing lots or reps with light weight for toning. I am six-pac fit and 5' 7" and keep the C sized boobs anchored down with light compression bras so I don't make such a big statement in male mode. Yes, I know some would say I must be a nut case but I'm happy and take responsibility for my own decisions and don't have any regrets. Have a nice relationship in progress, love my woman!

We all have different needs.  I read this, (your first post here) and from knowing your situation a little better I can see how your take on things might be a little different from the norm.
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Siren

I don't think it's got anything to do with whether someone has photos of themself on the site. Some people on here are just plain nasty with their comments and it's not on. I've seen some awful things said on this site. It's why I hardly ever post here, I just don't want to be a part of it.
I hate to see the sugar-coated posts that are prevalent too, telling people they pass perfectly when clearly they don't, but the spiteful comments are a million times worse and completely unnecessary.
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Cindy

Can I say something VERY LOUDLY, if a post upsets, let a Mod know. We can't read all the posts. You have to report stuff.

Thank you

Cindy
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tekla

I never post on those threads, one I'm totally - like way beyond 110% - convinced, (because I work in a totally fake industry that relies heavily on image and photos) that you can't really answer that question based on a photo.

Way too many factors involved in that decision - I seem to remember like 17-18 (right in that ballpark) that we use without thinking about it in gendering people - that a self-photo, at a weird angle, with bad lighting on a cell phone camera taken so poorly that the only thing I can really tell is how bad you need to get the maid back to clean up where you live, or ... more often than not ... has been digitally manipulated to look 'better' is going to provide any 'proof'.

Second, I've been going out, in public to trans events, participating in the 'community', and living in an area with lots, and lots, and lots of out trans persons and I've been doing all of that since the late 70s/early 80s, and that level of over-familiarity may well render me so dazzled that I can't tell anything anymore, or so picky that no one would pass.  One of those for sure.  But I am aware that I'm coming at it from a different perspective than people who've never been with other trans persons ever.

Third.  I get to do fashion/beauty shows a couple times a year and have for like, forever.  I'm very aware that some people - perhaps rarely, but still a huge bunch - take photos that are far more stunningly awesome then the real thing, 3-D person.  And that most of us look a little bit better in person then we do in photos.



Oh yeah.  if a post upsets, let a Mod know... or just do what critically thinking people do.  Skip it and read the next one.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Jeneva

Quote from: Axélle-Michélle on April 15, 2012, 09:50:41 PM
Note: not ONE opinion posted here, other then yours and mine, is sporting a real life avatar... makes you think, doesn't it?
Or perhaps as both Tekla and I said we use the avatar as an avatar. My avatar is an idealized image. It is representative of my and my wife's marriage. Our relationship is much more important to me than how I look. I us my fae because she chose to use hers first.

I've got plenty of pictures on this site. I have a thread in the FFS sub forum that has tons of pictures.

So what does it make you think?
Blessed Be!

Jeneva Caroline Samples
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Shantel

Quote from: kelly_aus on April 15, 2012, 10:02:07 PM
I've posted a few pics in those threads, just to see what kinds of replies I get.. I don't really know why I bother though.. I don't get laughed at or funny looks in public.. Cis gendered people interact with me as if I am a woman.. In short, to cis gendered people I pass.. And I know some of you are going to suggest that a lot of it is just people being too polite to say anything.. I doubt it, society seems to be programmed to make fun of 'different' people..

Yes, asking other MtF people somewhere in cyberspace to critique them as to whether or not they pass isn't a great idea. I know that there are some looking for validation and others in need of complements here but the real test is to move about normally in public places with everyday people, they don't scrutinize you with the same critical eye as do other MtF people.

Quote from: kelly_aus on April 15, 2012, 10:02:07 PM
As far as whether people without pics should comment? I say feel free, I post pics because I want to.. I don't care if someone works out my past.. But if you don't post pics, I'm sure you have a reason for doing so, it doesn't make your opinion any less valid..

The thread really isn't about a photo image or an Avatar, it's really a veiled inquiry about attitudes and motives. Some of the responses were really quite thoughtful and others were immature, intended to derail the conversation from the original question and marginalize me with denigrating remarks. I'm not surprised because the thread was bound to provide a platform whereby those types could expose themselves and be treated circumspectly by those who prefer a civil conversation.



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tekla

...it's really a veiled inquiry about attitudes and motives... marginalize me with denigrating remarks.
Well I don't know about 'veiled' - you were hardly subtle in not 'inquiring' and indeed 'marginalizing' a whole bunch of people because to question their 'attitudes and motives' (while somehow implying that your's are beyond reproach and more valid) based on a criteria as idiotic as what you have posted for an avatar is something that deserves to be denigrated.



I'm not surprised because the thread was bound to provide a platform whereby those types could expose themselves and be treated circumspectly by those who prefer a civil conversation.
Nice try, but... the people in this thread are exactly and precisley NOT the people you were originally talking about.  We are not the ones posting negative stuff in the do I pass threads, we're just the ones calling you on denigrating others while elevating yourself.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Keaira

You know, I've looked at a few of the guys threads and... I'm starting to like being over there. we tend to get a bit catty quite a bit! it's like our old male selves rear their heads again and turn it into a contest.

Instead of fighting and accusing someone of this and that, how about we support one another. Because you're not going to find better support out in the real world!

I have no problems with someone using anything but their own photo and helping me with my appearance. I understand having a self-image issue. It's a big part of why we are here together. But please, stop fighting.
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Beverley

Quote from: tekla on April 16, 2012, 09:57:25 AM
....  we're just the ones calling you on denigrating others while elevating yourself.

I will post my own criticisms if I feel the need. In any case I think I am done with this thread.

Quote from: Keaira on April 16, 2012, 10:08:13 AM
You know, I've looked at a few of the guys threads and... I'm starting to like being over there. we tend to get a bit catty quite a bit! it's like our old male selves rear their heads again and turn it into a contest.

I quite agree. This attitude has been on the increase across many threads and is one of the reasons (not the only one) that I decided to cut down my involvement here.
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Annah

Quote from: Keaira on April 16, 2012, 10:08:13 AM
You know, I've looked at a few of the guys threads and... I'm starting to like being over there. we tend to get a bit catty quite a bit! it's like our old male selves rear their heads again and turn it into a contest.


^^ THIS

Sadly, I do not even tell my friends about this site because I would be embarrassed as soon as they looked in the MtF section of these forums. One can certainly get a bad vibe about MtF trans simply by opening and reading a few threads here.
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MacKenzie

Quote from: Keaira on April 16, 2012, 10:08:13 AM
You know, I've looked at a few of the guys threads and... I'm starting to like being over there. we tend to get a bit catty quite a bit! it's like our old male selves rear their heads again and turn it into a contest.

Instead of fighting and accusing someone of this and that, how about we support one another. Because you're not going to find better support out in the real world!

  This was what I was trying to point out in my thread that got locked. Although I might have went a tad overboard with my choice of words.  :D

  I don't like fighting either but sometimes it seems that certain people just drag you into one no matter how nice you are.  ::)

  Yeah I'm starting to like the guy's section more, they're much more laid back and not so uptight.
  Oh and there's some cute men over there too!  :)
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Keaira

o.O

I wasn't expecting my words to be noticed like that. They came from the heart. and lack of sleep.
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Ashley_C

Quote from: Laura91 on April 16, 2012, 10:34:30 AM
:o

Well!!

Uh!!

Pfft!!

It still defeats your mermaid because I said so!

:D :P


Hey! I'm the mermaid.  ;)
We must move forward... not backwards, not to the side, not forwards, but always whirling, whirling, whirling towards freedom.

My mindless babbling are my own opinions and nothing more.
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Keaira

And I'm Foxy! :P


(My own avatar I made btw)
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