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Started by Northern Jane, November 03, 2005, 08:42:15 AM

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Northern Jane

Introductions?

Of course! How rude of me. I guess I didn't see this thread before.  ::) I just showed up and started sticking my nose in  ;D

I'm 56, almost 32 years post-op, and a Biber Girl.

My story isn't much different from any of the others that I have read - same old, same old - knew something was wrong at a VERY young age, figured out what it was before my teens, thought puberty would set everything right, found out that it didn't - it set everything WRONG.

Of course, in the time frame where I was encountering all this, there wasn't any "support", most of the medical profession was ignorant about TSism, and many people were just plain ignorant!

There was a "TS underground" that began forming in the 1950s and 60s to share information and offer each other mutual support but, in the days before the Internet, you can imagine how much more difficult it was to find people and to find reasonable information - most of the information in the medical community did not yet differentiate TSism from other "sexual disorders".

My home life was pretty crappy so stumbling onto the TS underground was a life saver! I am sure my copy of The Transsexual Phenomenon was a first edition (I should have had Dr. Benjamin autograph it when I was in New York in 1967 ;D ) and it was an invaluable resource. Because there was no alternative (I was under age and the medical profession was ignorant of the condition), I "self medicated" off and on through my teens, whenever I could obtain estrogen (by whatever means).

Living in a small town in a rural area was a PITA. Through most of my first 24 years, I lived a dual life. At first, there were a few people and situations where I could "be my other self" and later on, when I got old enough to be mobile, there were weekends away to the city to live the way I SHOULD have lived, and then back to the small town.

There had been a few, VERY few, doctors doing SRS off and on, but only Morocco was active when I came of age (21) and it was WAY too expensive to even be an option for me. A few other clinics has done the procedure on a trial basis (like the Clarke Institute in Toronto) but had chosen such "far out" candidates that their results were deemed unsatisfactory and the programs were not continued.

Things were getting pretty bad for me in my early 20s and, like so many others at the time, I thought I would loose my battle some dark lonely night Thankfully, early in 1974, I discovered Dr. Biber in Colorado. Within a few weeks, I was on the plane for Denver!  ;D

I had not done any "transition" (as you would call it today), only weekends and other intervals away from home but I made the jump at Easter (how appropriate!) in 1974.

At first life post-op was pretty wild! I was young, pretty, and had a good figure  ;D >:D  so I set out to prove to myself that I could have any guy I wanted. (Thank gawd this was before the spread of AIDS!) After way too many wild flings, I settled into a pretty normal life.

I continued my pre-op career, which was not traditionally feminine but not outrageously so, dated, and was married within 2 years. The marriage didn't last but the career did and job opportunities led me from city to city for a few years before I finally settled in the west.

I married again, settled on the outskirts of a nice rural town, and continued in my career and community involvement. The marriage broke up almost 13 years ago so i am a single professional living the quiet rural life these days.

When I look back on the years before 1974, I see how truly lost I was! I didn't know who or what I was, I didn't know where I was going, and I had only the vaguest idea of where I wanted to be. When I returned from Colorado that glorious spring, I was like a staving person at a banquet! Life blossomed in a marvelous way, far more than I could ever expected. I quickly found that "I" had been there all along, deeply buried, and that the right circumstances allowed me to blossom! I was more than I ever dreamed I could be - funny, sensitive, loving, mischievous, friendly, out-going, empathetic - I grabbed life by the essence and wrung every drop from it!

I also look back to those times, the 1950s and 1960s, and I see how much the TS people of that time changed the world and brought TSism out of the dark corner where it was considered "a mental disorder" and shoved it down the throats of the medical community as a legitimate medical condition. I was the first TS seen at a particular university hospital and helped them write their treatment guide  ;D Others helped bang some sense into the Clarke Institute after their screwed-up SRS "trial".

When I look back on those times, it looks like a war - a war of "enlightenment". It felt like a war in many ways because the prevailing ignorance cost so many people their lives.

So, even after 32 years of deep stealth, I still drift back to the TS community every few years to see how things are going.

In many ways, things have not changed at all! On these pages I read exactly the same stories that I have heard for the past 40 years - new people but the same thoughts, feelings, etc.

In other ways, the changes are wonderful! There are so many resources and supports available to the struggling TS person today (including boards like this one!) and the medical profession is VASTLY better informed today.

As a society, we have come a LONG way in recognizing the TS condition and treating it humanely.

Ok, enough for now - the sound of snoring is becoming deafening!  :o ;D
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stephanie_craxford

That wasn't me snoring, it must have been Leigh  :D

That's a great story and life experience.  I think that we should all be thankful to those who went before us, and blazed the trail for us all to follow.  I don't mean to put you on a pedestal, or anything but!...  credit where credit is due.  Thinking of the hardships we face transitioning in this day and age, makes you wonder how you ever managed to do it.  It is certainly easier now in many respects, but as you mentioned attitudes still have a long way to go.

You mentioned the Clarke a couple of times, did you live near by.  My doctor referred me there, but after getting the initial questionnaire from them and the distance I would be required to travel to attended the interview panels/screening sessions  I declined to attend.  Although I live in Ontario, Toronto is still a bit of a drive just for a three hour interview.

Anyway I'm so glad that you've posted this.  It puts our issues into perspective, given what you faced then and what we have available to us now.

Thanks so much,

Steph
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Dennis

Thank you, Jane, for adding to the diversity here. It's so good to read your story. Affirming for those of us going through it now, and I'm in awe that people managed to transition with such a lack of resources and information. You are one brave lady.

Dennis
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Northern Jane

QuoteThat wasn't me snoring, it must have been Leigh

I see. Used to be a friend of your's, did she?

QuoteI don't mean to put you on a pedestal

Good! I tend to fall off pedestals  ;D

There was nothing altruistic about what we did or why - it was purely selfish! We did what we had to do to get where we wanted to go! It was a matter of survival. If we had to kick down doors, so be it.

The true heroes of the time were the girls who stayed out and about after SRS. Most of us cowards jumped the first stealth flight out of TS Town!  :o Unfortunately some of the "basket cases" stayed out and public to - not good PR!

Quotemakes you wonder how you ever managed to do it

Honestly? Most didn't.  :'(  I attended WAY too many funerals for people who were friends thru the TS underground. Just off hand I can think of about 6 people out of about 30 who either killed themselves or became an emotional basket case over a period of about 7 years. I don't know what happened to the others after I left although I suspect that no more than half of them would have made it - the others didn't have the money, contacts, or supports to escape anytime soon.

QuoteYou mentioned the Clarke a couple of times, did you live near by.

I lived a couple of hours out of Toronto and was seen at the Dept. of Psychiatry at a hospital in Hamilton (St. Joseph's, was it?). They had some connection to the Clarke and I was "considered" for their first tail run of SRS. When I saw that they were selecting people who were already VERY emotionally damaged, I KNEW what the final recommendation would be (that SRS was not effective at "curing" these people) and I distanced myself from the Clarke. Thanks to that study, TS treatment was set back at least 5 years in  Ontario.

[As some of the studies in the U.S. came out, I think the Clarke realized their study was flawed but they had P.O.ed the TS community so severely that it was a long time before anybody would trust them again.]

QuoteAnyway I'm so glad that you've posted this.  It puts our issues into perspective

Thank you! I am glad to know I  am not irrelevant (just a relic from a bye-gone age  ;D )


Dennis: Brave? No, too stupid to take "No" for an answer!
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gina_taylor

Jane,

Sounds like you've lead a very interesting life from an early start as a transsexual. I'm sure that your life has adjusted to all the many changes in the past years. As Stephanie had said I give thanks to people like you for giving us newcomers more hope from the hardships that you had to endure  :).

Gina
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Northern Jane

 :icon_redface: QUIT THAT! It's embarrassing!
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beth

Hello Jane,


                   Nice to meet you!



beth
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Leigh

Quote from: Stephanie Craxford on November 03, 2005, 11:35:02 AM
  it must have been Leigh :D

Ms Craxford please report to the Admin's office :whip:

QuoteIt is certainly easier now in many respects, but as you mentioned attitudes still have a long way to go.

The knowlege is now at our fingertips instead of weeks stuck in snail mail.  In some localities transition is fairly eady.  Redneck Idaho--nope.

In no way am I trying to take anything away from N. J. but then Trans was not in anyones scope of thought.  It was just never heard of aside from 3 or 4 notable exceptions.  No one would think to look at their neighbor and wonder.  Then, they were either excentric or thought of as the village looney.

Leigh

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Leigh

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Quote from: Northern Jane on November 03, 2005, 12:25:51 PM

Just off hand I can think of about 6 people out of about 30 who either killed themselves or became an emotional basket case over a period of about 7 years.

I hope eveyone reads this and tatoos it backwards on their forehead so everytime they look in a mirror they realize this is not fun and games.    If there is any way you can survive without transitioning do it.  The old saying only the strong survive  is 100% true!!

There is nothing fun or glam about transition.  Its difficult, its possibly dangerous, the cost finiancial and emotional is tremendous.  Take everything you think it will be like after surgery and discard it.  You will hopefully work, you'll shop, eat, watch the tv (not you Deb).  Most of what you do everyday right now will not change.  What will change is how you perceive yourself and how others do.  How you interact physically will change after surgery obiviously if you can find a partner that is unbiased (if they know).

Sounds discouraging?  I hope so cause if you make a mistake this ain't Kansas and you can't just click your heels together.

N J!  thanx for posting. Its great to hear another good side of the transition story. So many talk about the upside, what about the downside of transition?

Life sux but then not having a life sux even worse.

Leigh

[edit]Messed up the quotes I think. Fixed (TM)[/edit]
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Northern Jane

Quote from: Leighbut then Trans was not in anyones scope of thought.  It was just never heard of aside from 3 or 4 notable exceptions.  No one would think to look at their neighbor and wonder.

You are pretty much right on target Leigh. In those days people thought of only men, women, homosexuals, and lesbians. If you male persona was effeminate or you were read while dressed, you were simply a homosexual. (I even had one psychiatrist pronounce me homosexual TO MY PARENTS and refuse to read The Transsexual Phenomenon! Thanks a@@hole!)

Just to be clear about my statement "about 6 people out of about 30 ...  either killed themselves or became an emotional basket case" - the people who did NOT survive where primarily those for whom SRS was vitally important but out of reach. The first TS I ever met was a FtM in the mid 1960's and he eventually took his own life eventhough he was living and passing well as a male - it just wasn't enough.

SRS was hard enough to come by that I never heard of a post-op committing suicide. I did hear of a couple of cases where people were selected for "study groups" by a medical committee, had SRS, and became an absolute disaster. One study I am familiar with came to the conclusion that SRS was ineffective treatment because of what happened to these people. In reality the disaster happened because a bunch of doctors and shrinks played God without understanding what they were dealing with. Some of the people they selected for their study were too screwed up to survive well either way. Thankfully some hospitals (like University Hospital in London, Ont.) were wise enough to invite some TS input into their policy making to get "the TS side of the picture".
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Leigh

N J

Messing with people.  That sounds like the BB&L cabal.

Leigh
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unicorn

Hello Northern Jane,
welcome from me, too!
Thank you very much for sharing your story!
Alex
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