I am physically female and cannot pass as male. Wearing a woman's top does absolutely nothing to make me look androgynous. It does the opposite. But this isn't about looks anyway. It's about being out.

Sorry I wasn't explicit, I was responding more to Pica's comment and refering to what would look good with the model's body.

Oh right! Sorry.

Funny thing just occurred to me....
Oh my word.
I might come across more androgynous then I want to, or had planned to. It simply would happen having a 'sporty' frame, still at age 65, hardly boobs (38A) nor curvy bottom (36), yet presenting female (include vj), and dressing that I don't look over the top (mostly, and learning) and certainly avoid anything that could look camp. Head-scarf, tingly-bell belts, glitter nail-varnish, mincing walk, stuck-on lashes, purple or pink hair...
Just some suggestions, and all this at 65!
Hey, honey seen it all and then some, believe you me

Add a low-ish voice (mine) - and a somewhat male-flavoured attitude - only at times, (thank you!) ... if that does not spell andro, then WHAT does?

I mention this, because in this way, I, personally, have NO acceptance issues - bar those folks that INSIST I have to meet THEIR male-picture of myself. Esstentially being an abomination upon the Lord, aye! (Well THEIR lord, methinks)
I simply do avoid them, which I do - now.

So, my guess, now androgynous, not quite by choice... oh well.

Axélle

Quote from: Axélle-Michélle on April 23, 2012, 11:54:06 AM
But seriously, I'm XY, have a vj, boobs, and am a Monarchist... now... ... none of any of that is immediately apparent (hardly my boobs)... so?

Good thing.

I am the last living descendant of James Francis Edward Stuart, and rightful ruler of Great Britain.

Those Germans in charge there now are mucking things up!

And your boobs are fine.

Quote from: Jamie D on April 24, 2012, 02:38:09 AM
Good thing.

I am the last living descendant of James Francis Edward Stuart, and rightful ruler of Great Britain.

Those Germans in charge there now are mucking things up!

And your boobs are fine.

Kiss, kiss, and hug 

Axélle

To my observation, how we treat members of different genders differently is so hard-wired into most people's social programming that the mere concept of non-binary gender sends their circuitry haywire.

Notice I said "most people". There are those that are naturally flexible and those that have decided to become flexible.

I'm trying to become one of the second group, and not finding it easy. I shock myself with some of the assumptions I catch myself making based on the gender people appear to be.

Quote from: agfrommd on April 24, 2012, 10:46:17 AM
I shock myself with some of the assumptions I catch myself making based on the gender people appear to be.

Even for those of us who embrace diverse gender identities and expressions, we were still programmed with society's pervasive gender attitudes and stereotypes. It takes a lot of soul searching to rid ourselves of these assumptions.

Z

Quote from: Jamie D on April 24, 2012, 02:38:09 AM
Good thing.

I am the last living descendant of James Francis Edward Stuart, and rightful ruler of Great Britain.

That is tremendously cool. I wish I was that. Well, if you ever want to claim the throne, you have my support.

Quote from: Pica Pica on April 24, 2012, 01:42:50 PM
That is tremendously cool. I wish I was that. Well, if you ever want to claim the throne, you have my support.

Quote from: agfrommd on April 24, 2012, 10:46:17 AM
To my observation, how we treat members of different genders differently is so hard-wired into most people's social programming that the mere concept of non-binary gender sends their circuitry haywire.

Yes, I see this a lot, as they try to categorize me.

But I'm treated fine, once they give up.

That is so cool, Jamie!
I do not and have never understood this social thing people speak of or what it has to do with gender at all. I wish people would stop talking about it because, the more they talk about it, the more people pretend it exists and that does not compute which makes me feel confused and disorientated.

Quote from: Edge on April 24, 2012, 04:59:53 PM
That is so cool, Jamie!

I'll let you in on a secret.  The legitimate Stuart line died out with "Bonnie Prince Charlie" in 1788,



and his younger brother, Cardinal Henry Stuart ("Cardinal Duke of York") in 1807.



The is good evidence of one, or both, of the brothers having bastard children, and claiming to be heirs to the Stuart line is somewhat of a cottage industry.

In that case, so am I then.

Because you lost my support with this.

Quote from: Jamie D on April 24, 2012, 02:39:49 PM

I don't want no warner brother hero world.

Quote from: Pica Pica on April 25, 2012, 01:00:20 AM

I don't want no warner brother hero world.

Better?

In some parts of my life I feel like I'm tolerated more so then accepted When out and about I'm laughed at and have strange conversations with 'Normal' looking people there are some groups within the queer word that I feel accepted and others where I feel excluded.  I'm often told I'm brave presenting as me ( but I have greater fear of my inner thoughts then of being attacked or insulted for not being me).
I try to present as a bearded Lady with most people seeing a "Man in a dress" but others not being sure what I am.
different people have different ideas I what I am I don't fit and feel ecluded a lot but some people accept me as a person who is a bit different.

Quote from: Jamie D on April 25, 2012, 02:36:58 AM



Better?

Not really, not being a militant Catholic and all.

Nice hat. lol

Quote from: Pica Pica on April 25, 2012, 02:15:54 PM
Not really, not being a militant Catholic and all.

It's not the Catholicism, but the sheer audacity that counts.

In some ways, Guy Fawkes is the British version of Don Quixote.

I have another question to do with the acceptance of non-binary people if that's alright.
Last night, someone made a comment about people taking offence to this, so I was wondering... Is it wrong to want a body that is in between male and female? That could be either?