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Started by Maja.V, April 03, 2012, 05:58:04 AM

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Stephe

Quote from: Sybil on April 26, 2012, 06:14:05 AM
Even if some of her decisions will indirectly influence her voice's quality, those decisions themselves are not the techniques or voice work she's interested in.

Sorry for being brutally honest.

And if my tone in an internet post upsets someone, then good luck transitioning. I am not going to apologize for what I said. She discredits a long time professional who has helped likely thousands of trans people. Then turn around and attacks someone who has been there and seen how much a good voice can make life so much easier. Most of transition is self confidence, a good voice will give you that in spades.

If spending money is stopping someone from doing this right, vs watching free u tube (with some bad advice) and possibly damaging their voice permanently, I'm really not sure if they can successfully deal with transition as unfortunately some steps in this can't be avoided and are expensive. I've wasted more money on makeup that didn't work than her 30 day program costs. + Kathe (and others) have less expensive options to try. 

  IMHO self teaching voice is really no different than self medicating HRT. Sure people have done it and most won't damage their bodies but many times the results are sub optimal and some people do injure themselves. I can understand it if you really have no income to cover it, but again IMHO I've seen way too many MTF who clearly have spent a ton of money and time on their appearance ignore or at last short cut their voice.
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A

Stephe, I really must say that you are taking all of this the wrong way. I'm sure no one else saw that Maja.V was "discrediting" anyone, or did anything wrong to begin with.

About voice therapy... She did mention that it's only been two weeks (at the creation of the topic) since she started seriously training. I don't think it's appropriate to jump into costy therapy that is not necessarily needed so soon. Voice is one of the few things it's possible, at least for part of us, to do alone. I think it's only fair to at least let her try on her own for now, especially since her voice doesn't sound hopeless at all.

Maja.V: Actually, despite how great she sounds, I don't think Adele is a very good choice for practice. Neither is Shakira (depending on the song, actually; she can be quite soft). They have "strong" voices. You know what I mean? A "strong" voice is very - what am I saying? - extremely - hard to achieve with a female impression. Also, if you have trouble reaching the range, if you try to do it in a "strong" voice, you might damage your voice, at least temporarily. And finally, a "strong" voice is generally regarded as a masculine characteristic. Mixing it with feminine attributes for a beautiful result is a wonderful feat that some singers manage, but for most, in one's everyday life, it's probably not a very good idea.

I would rather suggest Japanese singers with cute voices, (specifically, for example, Ikimono-gatari, supercell, Tsuji Shion, miwa, Yui Horie and 7!! [super high difficulty level, and it's a group, of singers... o.o but I love them], with their cute voice breakings.)

It can seem hard to imitate at first, but once you notice little patterns and try it, you'll see improvement... At least, if it happens like it did with me.

If you're not so much of an otaku, an English-speaking artist I would suggest is Avril Lavigne. There's also Mia Martina, but I'm not SUCH a fan, and to be honest, it's just way too high.

If you wanna try some exotic French, Marie-Mai is certainly a good choice, and not just because I like her music.

Once you start to grasp those "little female-sounding elements", you can try feminizing male songs. It's fun, good practice and sometimes, the results are impressive!

And if you think you've become a master, you can test yourself. Try making Mika's (male singer famous for his impressive falsetto) high songs such as Grace Kelly sound female at the same height. If it works well, thumbs up!

If you'd like, I can (very legally -whistles-) provide you with a few songs from my library. You can PM me for my email address, so we can discuss it on MSN (-glowing eyes- demonic scheme to have someone to chat with in motion). ^^
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apple pie

Quote from: A on April 26, 2012, 01:26:53 PM
Once you start to grasp those "little female-sounding elements", you can try feminizing male songs. It's fun, good practice and sometimes, the results are impressive!

Oh yeah feminizing male songs is the kind of singing I do half the time! (The other half is split between low female songs and moderately high female songs)
It's easier too because you don't have to worry about the range at the same time.

Quote from: A on April 26, 2012, 01:26:53 PM
I would rather suggest Japanese singers with cute voices, (specifically, for example, Ikimono-gatari, supercell, Tsuji Shion, miwa, Yui Horie and 7!! [super high difficulty level, and it's a group, of singers... o.o but I love them], with their cute voice breakings.)

Going a bit off-topic! But I notice something that many kawaiikei singers do: they uplift the end of many lines to a squeak. THAT is really hard to imitate! Because basically you need a flexible range that's half an octave above the actual pitch of the note to lift it up like that. I was practising this song: http://nicoviewer.net/sm15992060 and I had to kick the song down three semitones to be able to do the uplifting (e.g. at 0:17). The opposite phenomenon also occurs (dropping from a high pitch to a note), e.g. on the syllable "ko" at 0:21...

Anyway, I think that's the sort of little patterns that A is talking about. But they vary widely in imitability :)
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Stephe

Quote from: A on April 26, 2012, 01:26:53 PM
Stephe, I really must say that you are taking all of this the wrong way. I'm sure no one else saw that Maja.V was "discrediting" anyone, or did anything wrong to begin with.

About voice therapy... She did mention that it's only been two weeks (at the creation of the topic) since she started seriously training. I don't think it's appropriate to jump into costy therapy that is not necessarily needed so soon. Voice is one of the few things it's possible, at least for part of us, to do alone. I think it's only fair to at least let her try on her own for now, especially since her voice doesn't sound hopeless at all.



The problem ends up being, if you start training wrong it can sound "promising" at first. But given they probably aren't making these sound correctly, they likely learn to speak in a way that only sound reasonable if they speak fairly softly (and then no one can understand them) or never end up much beyond "promising". That was where I ended up. There was no way with my first attempted female voice, that I worked on for years, that I could address a room full of people and not sound male.

I'm trying to help her not make the same mistake I did, thinking I could do this without anyone's help. I lived full time for several years with this first voice and I spent a lot of time avoiding speaking etc. Finally getting my voice sorted made a huge difference, I could go back to being the talkative, extrovert I have always been. Instead of being shy, talking in a low soft voice trying to sound as female as I could. Now I can walk outside, call for my dogs and not worry that I sound like a guy calling his dog.

Starting out is where people need guidance, someone who understands the mechanics to say "no not like that, like this...." They can listen to where you are and give specific exercises that fix the problems they hear. It's like trying to learn a golf swing on your own. Once you learn to do it wrong, undoing what you are doing wrong is much harder. It's the same muscle memory thing. Later practice to refine is fine to do on your own. Even listening to you recorded voice can be deceiving. I sound totally different on my cell phone recorded, on my digital voice recorder and 2 different microphones I have for my computer. I have no clue which recording device sounds most like the "real" me.  Speakers also will make a voice sound very different. The resonance/overtone thing is where most of the problem is.

I was shocked at all the things I was doing wrong as well, like simply breathing wrong. I did a lot of breathing exercises to start with. Learning how to warm up my voice for the day etc. The exercises I did seemed VERY silly at the time but they worked. I still am working on my voice doing these things I KNOW work and helped.

All of this is probably why many MTF have just an OK voice at best. Speech is very complicated and for many people we have years of doing it wrong (male voice). To start doing a new voice wrong will just make it even harder to learn how to correctly sound female. And again it's really hard if you have to use a strained voice to speak for more than a sentence or two (or with any volume) and still sound OK.

And one last comment, you say "jump into costly therapy ". Given the overall cost most people spend on transition, even private lessons for a few months once a week will end up being 5% or less of your transition cost. Given how important this is, I don't see this as a good place to skimp. I rank this above my FFS as far as making me comfortable living as a woman.
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PositivelyAnna

Quote from: Maja.V on April 03, 2012, 05:58:04 AM
Hellow everyone,

I've been sort of fiddling with my voice lately, trying to find a range that would be passable. I'd appreciate it if you could leave a critique of it, what I should improve on, etc.

I know it's short - I just had no idea what to say, really. Keep in mind I've just started practicing it (like two weeks ago), so I have yet to fully develop it. I'd just like to know if I'm going in the right direction, because I truly can't tell.

I've also spoken in my male voice for comparison, so don't be alarmed. ;D



Thank you!

P.S. Sorry for the dumb accent.

Hi Maja!

I think you sound great!

Honestly, there's absolutely nothing to criticize.  It works!  You don't need to change anything.  Have you tried the "phone test?"  I would be really surprised if you got mis-gendered.


Being new here... I suppose I shouldn't be contrary, but...

When you learn your voice (or anything else involved in "passing"), it helps to just think about it holistically.  Things like the exact technique you're using -- and especially pitch -- really aren't important.  It's just the overall feeling -- does it work or not?

Once it starts working, it's just a matter of getting yourself used to it.  I couldn't, for example, start speaking from a "dead stop" without sorta going into a male voice, then kinda warming up, and then hopping up to the female voice.  Now, it's instant;  in fact, I'm not even sure where the dividing line is anymore.


There's a difference between having a "passable" voice, and a pretty voice.  But the journey from one to the other is no different than any other woman would take (via singing lessons or something).  If you get to that "passable" point, you should give yourself a very large pat on the back.  Pretty can wait.   (though...  I'm really thinking about myself there -- your voice is actually very pretty.  mine's squeaky.  :-D )


You're on the right track! :-)


-anna



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A

apple pie: More specifically, there's this "effect" I found particularly useful:

http://www.aimini.net/view/?fid=yzS8u0ZQ3VpcTgDZJoCr
It's present all over the song, but an example is at ~0:22 on "kurai".

It can also be heard in this song, on most descending notes.
http://www.aimini.net/view/?fid=E3pOHVAdd4qBLrOCv4iD

And here.
http://www.aimini.net/view/?fid=FBlW5vMTCaXHORqkVayP

This little "vibration". Anyway~.

Stephe: I would rater think that having a head start on voice would actually help in therapy... I might be wrong, but unless someone was highly delusional, I don't think it's likely that they would mess up their voice so.
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Maja.V

Thank you, Anna! I appreciate the comment!

When I speak in my female voice, I don't struggle one bit - even read about 30 pages of a book out loud while recording myself and my vocal chords weren't strained at all. It comes almost naturally, I just raise my pitch a little and make it a bit more breathy. I can easily speak loudly and retain the voice. It's true, though, that if I go any higher than that I sound really fake and forced.

PositivelyAnna

Awesome!  :-)  Now you just gotta try it out on people (if you're not already doing that).

I was very tickled when I started passing on the phone.  Got me into some amusingly awkward situations, which were very validating (i.e. "Umm... is this your husband on the insurance plan?"  "no, I just haven't my name yet" "So, you're recently divorced from your husband?"  "NO... it's ME"  "<silence>....ok.  when you change your name, please let us know if we should also change your gender in our records"  lol :-D )

though -- believe it or not -- that starts to become *really* annoying after a while...


You're definitely good to go.  I'm always tweaking my voice as I go along, but honestly, I'm probably the only one who notices.


You should teach the rest of us *your* technique! :-)


-anna

...bounce...bounce...bounce...wheeee! :-)
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Maja.V

I'm still not living in girl mode, so I haven't started using it at all, and if I get some random call, I always forget to use the voice. I'm like "Derp! Forgot again!", so I'm definitely writing down a note next to the phone or something. :D

It sure sounds a lot of fun, though, confusing telemarketers. ;D

As far as my technique goes, uhm. I just recorded myself talking in different pitches, adding random breathiness to it and just going up and down until I found something I could work with, really. No magic, air-holding or nose-talking. ;D

A

I think you should start using your female voice in day-to-day situations. Of course, it may seem odd to people you've known for a while, but then again, at 8 months HRT, I'd think that they noticed weirder things than that already. If you're out to them, they will assume it's a normal effect of hormones. If you're not, if you go gradually, it will probably be all right.

I personally don't think I could have gotten a voice like mine - which I now, thanks to you, know is actually good! :3 - if I hadn't been using it 24/7. And I'm still socially male, too. It's brought me some awkwardness, but I survive. Of course, I haven't had to "switch", since I've been trying to speak as female as possible nearly forever, but I'm sure you can manage the jump.
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apple pie

Quote from: Maja.V on April 27, 2012, 01:07:40 PM
It sure sounds a lot of fun, though, confusing telemarketers. ;D

You mean "voice judgement volunteers" ;D
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PositivelyAnna

Quote from: Maja.V on April 27, 2012, 01:07:40 PM
I'm still not living in girl mode, so I haven't started using it at all, and if I get some random call, I always forget to use the voice. I'm like "Derp! Forgot again!", so I'm definitely writing down a note next to the phone or something. :D

I had an embarrassing experience answering the phone.  It rang while I was taking a nap, and I was still groggy when I answered.  I didn't have time to get into the girl voice. 

I answered in the guy voice.  But, the caller asked for "Anna."  I said, "errr... ummm.... just a minute!" took the phone away from my mouth for a couple seconds, and then came back on as Anna!   :D

That must've been *so* obvious... how embarrassing!   :o





-anna
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Maja.V

Quote from: A on April 27, 2012, 08:08:32 PM
I think you should start using your female voice in day-to-day situations. Of course, it may seem odd to people you've known for a while, but then again, at 8 months HRT, I'd think that they noticed weirder things than that already. If you're out to them, they will assume it's a normal effect of hormones. If you're not, if you go gradually, it will probably be all right.

I personally don't think I could have gotten a voice like mine - which I now, thanks to you, know is actually good! :3 - if I hadn't been using it 24/7. And I'm still socially male, too. It's brought me some awkwardness, but I survive. Of course, I haven't had to "switch", since I've been trying to speak as female as possible nearly forever, but I'm sure you can manage the jump.

I'm pretty much out to everyone but my father. He's really close minded and bigoted. He's the reason I'm still in guy mode. I'm employed part-time at his company, and given that I need monies for FFS, I can't afford to be fired. But truthfully, I don't mind taking it slow, at least it gives hormones time to work that magic.

As far as using my voice in public, well. I'm going to try but I'm rather shy when it comes to such things ;D Or I get really nervous.

apple pie: Theehee ;D
PositivelyAnna: That sounds like a really funny situation ;D

A

Well, be a coward and say it's normal for hormones to start affecting your voice after a while! :p

Excuses are useful.
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Sybil

Quote from: Stephe on April 26, 2012, 10:34:12 PMI'm trying to help her not make the same mistake I did, thinking I could do this without anyone's help. I lived full time for several years with this first voice and I spent a lot of time avoiding speaking etc. Finally getting my voice sorted made a huge difference, I could go back to being the talkative, extrovert I have always been. Instead of being shy, talking in a low soft voice trying to sound as female as I could. Now I can walk outside, call for my dogs and not worry that I sound like a guy calling his dog.

Starting out is where people need guidance, someone who understands the mechanics to say "no not like that, like this...." They can listen to where you are and give specific exercises that fix the problems they hear.

I think I might really understand the entirety of your post, although I am still on the starter's end of what you described. I often feel as though I am doing something wrong, or putting too much strain on my voice and that it might become damaged later. I worry that I will be stuck with an improper method years down the road. Going through the program that has been mentioned here is very appealing to me. I think that it would do wonders for my stress levels and give me confidence to pursue things even more aggressively than I already am; I, for one, certainly do not question its authenticity.

However, on the other hand, the idea of going through it is frustrating to me. I already feel colossal financial pressure for transition, and it seems as though more keeps on adding itself to the pile, and its shadow - ever greater - continues to consume me. Since giving up is not an option for me, this is extremely stressful and I try to be as reasonable and practical about all of my foreseen expenses as I can be.

My mind tries to argue that working on my voice has no related material expense - as surgery would - and that, optimally, I could figure it out without coaching and therefore without damaging my financial timeline. I realize that this is merely ideal, but it is a very difficult thought process to pull away from, none-the-less. I am also forced to realize that someone out there has the answer to my problem, but is not sharing it unless I pay a very pretty penny. There are dozens of written and visual tutorials out there on the wrong or the mediocre way to train your voice, but I simply cannot find anything on the right way. Does it simply not exist? Are people so unwilling to share the right way to do something for a very genuine problem?

In all honesty, it makes me feel so frustrated. I feel torn between sacrificing some of my finances and doing it for myself, or continuing to try and figure out a way to do it on my own because I think it is wrong not to share that information with the thousands of other women going through this. I understand coaching may be an integral part of it for many, but some of us would at the very least appreciate detailed explanations of the methods so that we could try it on our own. I would be more willing to go through the expensive coaching if I at least had tried and failed at the methods used in that coaching, and needed another's guidance - which is, in reality, what coaching is supposed to be for.

Maybe the methods really are out there, and I am simply awful at finding them. If anyone knows the answer to that, please do share with me; I would be incredibly grateful.

Note: I am not berating anyone who has gone through with the coaching and does not actively share the methods involved. I have actually seen several bits and pieces shared here and there, which I and I am sure others are always grateful for, but it is really very difficult to put the entire process together without something thorough.
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PositivelyAnna

I *really* don't mean this to be dismissive, but... you are worrying *way* too much.  (When I hear someone say that I think, "Umm... WTF do you know about me?  I can't just switch off my worry!")

It's meant to be constructive:  Transition is a very unpredictable process.  Really, you have to be a bit zen about it -- it's not going to go as you planned, and you just have to roll with it.

But, this is actually a good thing!  That makes it kinda fun.  It's an adventure filled with surprises.

What worked for me is to *only* plan one step ahead.  Take a little baby step... see how it feels... if it's good, take another.  If not, step back, take a breath, and re-think what comes next (and if it *really* feels bad, maybe transition isn't the right thing?  Even that's ok -- you've ruled out one possibility, and can look for something else).


To answer your other question:  The best tutorial out there is the CandiFLA series on YouTube. 


(that's not the first lesson -- you'll have to poke around in her series a little)

She's awesome!  A great teacher, and what a personality!  Very entertaining.

:-)


-anna


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apple pie

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Hello Sybil,

I can really feel your frustration in your words...
I understand what you mean when you say that it feels like it should be possible to acquire a good voice without extra expense.

But while I have little idea what paid voice lessons would get you, I imagine that their method would require the trainer to spend many hours with you, asking you to try something, and then correcting what you may be doing wrong.
That is, they give customized feedback based on your performance.
If I am right, then this customized feedback cannot really be "shared", because it is all generated from what the trainer observes in your voice.
I think therefore that they are not deliberately withholding information that would allow others to acquire a good voice in order to extract money; it simply REQUIRES this real-time interaction to work. And they do deserve to be paid for those many hours.

There is a more encouraging corollary to the above, though.
If you are able to self-correct what you are doing wrong after recording yourself and listening to the recording, then you would do very well in developing your voice.
If you are able to do this, then you don't have to spend any money at all.
In fact, I believe that is how many others have managed to develop their new voices themselves.
Not based on tutorials or advice, but by listening carefully to their own voices, and improving on the bits that do not sound desirable.
This can be very difficult for some people, and as Stephe has warned, if you do it wrong, you may damage your voice.

You mention that you do already record your voice, but instead of just recording it and then playing it back quickly only to have a rough idea of "that sounded good" / "that didn't sound very good", try the following when you make your recordings, in order to apply the type of self-correction I mentioned:

  • Get a really good microphone
  • Record a small sample of your voice ("recording 1"), short enough so that you can do the next step easily
  • Listen AS CAREFULLY AS YOU CAN to your own voice, be VERY PEDANTIC about what sounds wrong
    (that's why you need a really good microphone, so you can hear your voice very clearly)
  • Re-record your voice ("recording 2"), saying exactly the same words as the original, using slightly different muscles in your throat to change the quality of your voice a little
    (you may want to experiment with techniques you may have read about elsewhere)
  • Listen, again as carefully as you can, to this second recording, and see if whatever sounds wrong in the first recording has improved
  • If there is an improvement (or if the technique you just attempted gave you an improvement), try to base your next recording on this improved recording 2.
    If not, base your next recording on the original recording 1
  • Repeat from step 4
What this does is to iteratively improve your voice by a very little bit each time you manage an improvement, so that in the long run, you will have a much better voice.
Save and keep all your recordings in order to track your own progress. I have hundreds of recordings of my own voice on my computer, named by date.
(Even now, I still record my voice regularly to ensure the quality of my voice.)

There is one problem with this method: You will often forget what muscles you used to get a particularly nice-sounding short recording you previously made.
So a second recording made a week after the first may actually sound worse. However, in the long run (on the scale of many months), it will get better.
On the other hand, I feel that an advantage with this method is that you can always keep improving it, even when your voice already sounds pretty good, because it does not correct specific, well-known errors people have written about, but your own ones. Another advantage is that it will nudge you towards a voice that YOU like, because you are picking out all the bits that you yourself like and discarding the bits you don't like. So if you don't like a candiFLA voice then you wouldn't end up with one!

To minimize the risk of damaging your voice, ALWAYS, ALWAYS immediately stop any voice practice when your throat starts to hurt, even if it hurts only a little. Stop using your voice completely for at least a few minutes and let it rest. DO NOT RUSH with voice training. Many school teachers completely ruined their voice by using it even when it hurts, and it takes them months or even years to recover from it.

There is no guarantee that the above will work for you, because some methods work better for some people and simply do not work for others. For example, I think that the above will work well for someone who has very keen hearing and able to discern very small differences in sounds, but not so well for someone who tends to think many similar sounds are just "the same". But the above is already my full attempt in suggesting what I believe might help you in improving your voice...

There is also a second corollary: instead of trying to correct your own voice yourself, you could ask someone to do it for you.
But it will be far less effective, because the other person will very likely not pick out all the wrong things they hear. They may not hear them at all, and even if they hear them, they are highly likely to not mention every single detail in order not to offend you.
So I don't really recommend it unless this other person is very good at doing this... which goes back to why the voice lessons may well be worth the money...
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Sybil

I'd like to preface that I really do not want to hijack Maja.V's thread, so I hope to reply as concisely as I can:

PositivelyAnna,

Thank you for sharing your advice with me. You are right about the worry - I know some times I do it too much, but I also cannot just turn it off. I try to balance it as well as I can, but when something is more important to you than anything else, times get hard every now and then.

I may have said this already in the thread, but I am not a big fan of CandiFLA's videos. She sounds a bit stiff and unnatural to me, and that is not what I am going for. Her style of teaching has been my favorite so far, though. My above post may have been misleading: I have been working at my voice for about two years now, and have spent anywhere from weeks to months on different techniques before I decided they were unhealthy or felt like they would not work for me. I can make my voice sound great, but there is always something wrong with it to me. I think it is in the methods I am using.


apple pie,

I understand that trainers give you personalized advice, and I absolutely agree that they should be paid for that. My frustration lies in the fact that there are many generalized techniques (such as speaking towards the front of your face) that seem to work near-universally, but have not been collected anywhere. I think I may be unaware of some of these, and simply wish I knew more of them so that I could put them to trial. As you began to describe above, I think I have adapted a really great intuition for what works for me; I do not think I am superhuman, though, so I cannot possibly guess or know all of the methods people out there use.

Your advice about the microphone is wonderful. It is exactly what I do when I spend time working on my voice; I have a ton of MP3s. It is also this process that has led me to want to refine my voice so deeply.
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apple pie

Hello Sybil!

While I cannot be sure, I have a general feeling that all of the techniques out there are geared towards people who need to get their voice from not passing to passing. I think (from what you say) that you probably have a great voice already that passes with no problems at all, but that there's something that stills feels different from a usual female voice.

I think it might be related to one thing that I forgot to mention... there may be the issue of those muscles needing to gain strength.

When I trained my own voice, I settled on a particular one very quickly. It sounded okay and my voice felt perfectly comfortable (no straining or hurting muscles or anything), but my voice was still not right in various ways:
For example, it had some sort of minimum volume, below which no sound would come out.
And it generally sounded very slightly like sandpaper (there's some sort of "background noise" to my voice).
As well, the voice got tired if I used it continuously. I remember back then, at the beginning of my transition (before full-time), I was chatting with a friend in a restaurant in my girl voice. After 2 or 3 hours, it struggled to stay in a girl-like voice, both in terms of quality and pitch.

But without deliberately trying to improve on any of the three flaws above, without changing my technique, the problems all disappeared by themselves over a few months of frequent usage.
I could speak extremely softly now; there is no sandpaper-like feel to my voice any more; and I could talk as long as I want for endless hours.
So I think it is possible that the improvement you are looking for may come from frequent use, which really builds up your muscles.
I know you said you've been practising for 2 years, but I'm not sure if you actually regularly used it for 2 years or just occasionally trained it...
What I did before I went full-time was that I found Internet buddies to chat with me on voice. That gave me immense time to actually use it in conversational routines, frequently, every day, before I lived as a girl. I think that really helped me. :)
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Sybil

Hi again apple pie,

I had a highly passable voice for a while, but it was difficult to maintain and put a lot of strain on me. I actually lost it for a bit at one point, which made it feel unreliable. As hard as it was to give it up, I did, because I realized it wasn't really a healthy option for my vocal chords and the like. I'm trying to find new options now, and I'm making progress on yet another voice that, while requiring effort and practice, doesn't put unreal amounts of strain on me.

The whole two years thing is as it is because I keep going through voices like this. After I stick to one thing for a while, I find something about it that just feels fundamentally flawed. I try to give them all a chance, though, because I realize a lot of it is muscle development and endurance. I guess part of my previous posts were a bit about that, and wishing that people who have worked with Kathe Perez would share what it is they have done for their own voice. The results I've seen from most of the people who have subscribed to her are astounding, and what's more (as per Stephe's example) things like yelling are available, too.

Here's an example, which I mentioned before, of the sort of stuff I'm talking about: speaking from the front of your face; I know that when I first started, I concentrated all of my effort in my throat (I bet this sounds familiar to a LOT of you), and speaking from the front of my face was something I just decided to try as intuition and experimentation lead me there -- but it felt that I found it completely by chance. Since then, it's become such an integrated part of any new voice I develop or work on because it just works so well, can be improved on, and really doesn't take a lot of effort. What else am I missing like this, though? Until I really adopt a voice I'm both happy with and comfortable using, I'll never feel confident that I know what I need to use or develop.

To risk sounding like a broken record, it would be really nice to know what methods these women are using, even if they aren't going to work for everyone. They'd be something that other people could try - at least they'd know some generally successful things to put their minds to, as opposed to going at it blindly (or unsafely, which is my primary concern) and wondering in the dark what roads they might be taken down. Stephe was right in all she said about voice affecting your quality of life, it really is such a huge deal and I know that firsthand. It's also not a completely safe venture to take on your own. My only gripe is that I think more women could achieve their voice on their own time and merit if they just knew what fundamental methods to tackle and how to be safe. I don't think the whole $750 would be necessary for a lot of people at that point -- and let's face it, most trans women could really use any penny they can save. I know I could.
Why do I always write such incredibly long posts?
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