Transition is the metamorphosis from your birth sex to the opposite sex via hormones, gender reassignment, and therapy.

So if we have three women who all pass and are FT do you think that only the ones who have had SRS and/or HRT are transitioning/have transitioned?

The things other people don't see should not affect transitioning-status of people.

It means a journey and a life. I am transitioning right now and intend to do that all my life. It is in this process that I will learn and grow, increasing my soul and spiritual body. I will never take any corrective action, because I am a man in this body, of a female. This is a type of a man I am. And I love it. I used to hate it. Then, I realized I was also third sexed and psychically hermaphrodital and androgenous. So,  I could not satisfy all conditions and change my sex. The only choice for me remains, is to live in this body as a man. And bear the pain and the knowledge that come with it.

Quote from: taru on April 19, 2007, 02:36:06 AM
So if we have three women who all pass and are FT do you think that only the ones who have had SRS and/or HRT are transitioning/have transitioned?

imo yes.  but that's [only] my pov. 

Quote from: taruThe things other people don't see should not affect transitioning-status of people.

again, that's [only] your pov.

I know I'll probably get bashed for my opinions here, but...

I believe that to "Transition" is to embark on the path of becomming as full and total a woman (for me a woman) as humanly possible.  This means all the way - anything less than aiming for full and total transition ie: surgery, HRT, etc. is "partial transitioning".

Don't misunderstand though - it is the mindset and goal, not the stage or hinderances caused by money that defines it.

Quote from: Attis on April 18, 2007, 10:38:28 AM
In another context, gender transition means to me a second chance. A second chance to be yourself and never to be afraid of the night. To see the world with your own eyes and not the eyes of others. To be human and not the facsimile of a human.

-- Brede

you...yes, you...LOL....you are so smart! really!

to me, transition really amounts to just being yourself. for me, i needed to do everything to feel comfortable with myself.  not everyone feels the same. what does hold true is that you haven't fully transitioned unless you are truly comfortable, and i would imagine that would really depend on the person...

I wish I could tel you where this is going, if I start my transition it would be a mirrale and a dream come true.

To transition is to give you a fighting chance to live, out of depression and lonliness. We all deserve that second chance to be the people we really are.

Good luck to all and every one of you.

and congratulations to the others.

LUCY

Quote from: Lucy on April 20, 2007, 07:21:29 AM


To transition is to give you a fighting chance to live, out of depression and lonliness. We all deserve that second chance to be the people we really are.

  Good luck to you too Lucy.

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Quote from: Lucy on April 20, 2007, 07:21:29 AM


To transition is to give you a fighting chance to live, out of depression and lonliness. We all deserve that second chance to be the people we really are.

  Good luck to you too Lucy.

Thank You  Yvonne I hope that some day I get my chance but this messages was for every one, you all deserve to be happy.

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Quote from: Yvonne on April 23, 2007, 12:31:55 AM

Quote from: Lucy on April 20, 2007, 07:21:29 AM


To transition is to give you a fighting chance to live, out of depression and lonliness. We all deserve that second chance to be the people we really are.

  Good luck to you too Lucy.

Thank You  Yvonne I hope that some day I get my chance but this messages was for every one, you all deserve to be happy.

You are so sweet Lucy - all I am after is a way out of depression so I can enjoy my like. I am sure you will be able to enjoy your life soon as well.



Alice

Quote from: Alice on April 23, 2007, 04:01:13 AM

Quote from: Lucy on April 23, 2007, 02:37:00 AM

Quote from: Yvonne on April 23, 2007, 12:31:55 AM

Quote from: Lucy on April 20, 2007, 07:21:29 AM


To transition is to give you a fighting chance to live, out of depression and lonliness. We all deserve that second chance to be the people we really are.

  Good luck to you too Lucy.

Thank You  Yvonne I hope that some day I get my chance but this messages was for every one, you all deserve to be happy.

You are so sweet Lucy - all I am after is a way out of depression so I can enjoy my like. I am sure you will be able to enjoy your life soon as well.



Alice

That's indeed so sweet and thoughtful of you to say, Lucy.   They say that when a person sends good karma to others, that person gets the same thing multiplied by two. Thank you so much.


tink

The fact is... we can't completely become a member of the gender we identify with completely.  We can't change our genes.  So where does transition end?  It varies from person to person. This is a semantics exercise to some degree.

I know some here who are living full time who I believe have made the transition. They may never have surgery.  There are those who do not take HRT and yet have completed transition (I'm in that group). 

Now, call in the doctor and they'll pin labels on it all so that they can completely categorize it all. That's what they do and it is important.  For it gives us all some credibility if a doctor can name our condition and define an approved treatment.

Is transition ever complete? Probably not.  We'll all have thoughts from time to time concerning some aspect of our former self. We'll see some little thing in the mirror that we'll continue to hate the rest of our lives. We'll still have that family member who will never try to use the correct pronouns.

It's a tough road to travel isn't it?  No wonder so many of us get so depressed!  Chin up girls, boys, and everyone else!

Cindi

Quote from: Cindi Jones on April 24, 2007, 12:18:40 AM
The fact is... we can't completely become a member of the gender we identify with completely.  We can't change our genes. 

We continue to fall into the trap of defining our gender in our genes.  There are intersexed conditions where people with XY chromosomes appear completely female and always have from birth.  The reverse is true for some with XX chromosomes.  Do you define their gender by their genes?  How many of us here have actually had our chromosomes tested?  So by that criterion, I don't know what I am.

So, what does it mean to be a member of any gender?  As far as I can tell, it means that we identify with that group, and when we project that to members of the group, they reflect back to us that they agree.  Then the salience of that membership grows.  Otherwise we feel like Simon, "A snake who can't slither is no snake at all."

Personal Peace and Self Acceptance through congruity. 

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Quote from: Cindi Jones on April 24, 2007, 12:18:40 AM
The fact is... we can't completely become a member of the gender we identify with completely.  We can't change our genes. 

We continue to fall into the trap of defining our gender in our genes.  There are intersexed conditions where people with XY chromosomes appear completely female and always have from birth.  The reverse is true for some with XX chromosomes.  Do you define their gender by their genes?  How many of us here have actually had our chromosomes tested?  So by that criterion, I don't know what I am.

So, what does it mean to be a member of any gender?  As far as I can tell, it means that we identify with that group, and when we project that to members of the group, they reflect back to us that they agree.  Then the salience of that membership grows.  Otherwise we feel like Simon, "A snake who can't slither is no snake at all."

Lisbeth can blue eyed parents produce only brown eyed children?  Uh oh? 

Quote from: Wendy on April 24, 2007, 02:27:12 PM
Lisbeth can blue eyed parents produce only brown eyed children?  Uh oh? 

I don't know about blue eyed parents, but hazel eyed ones can.  Both of my parents have hazel eyes and me and my siblings all have brown eyes.

Quote from: Wendy on April 24, 2007, 02:27:12 PM
Lisbeth can blue eyed parents produce only brown eyed children?  Uh oh? 

Is that a reference to my blue eyes and my brown eyed kids?

Quote from: Melissa on April 24, 2007, 02:31:24 PM
I don't know about blue eyed parents, but hazel eyed ones can.  Both of my parents have hazel eyes and me and my siblings all have brown eyes.

Eye color is comprised of 7 genes if I recall from biology.  My eyes and my wife's eyes are very blue.  My youngest daughter has hazel eyes.    (My wife is a good wife and very loyal.)

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Lisbeth I can not tell your eye color from your picture.  I was teasing about myself.  Sorry. 
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We have a slight change in mix but still almost 60% consider transition to be greater than and equal to HRT and living as their "correct" gender.  Again no one is correct.

Quote from: Wendy on April 18, 2007, 12:30:45 PM
Thanks for your comments.  I fixed a couple of errors in the survey as noted by the voters and it appears if I update the survey the option to change your vote disappears.  Sorry.
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At the writing of this post about 40% of the voters consider transitioning to be less than "HRT and living as the opposite sex".  That means 60% consider transitioning to be equal to or greater than "HRT and living as the opposite sex". 

Remember everyone is correct since this is your opinion and not a medical opinion.  However it is not easy to communicate how we feel since "key" words have vastly different meanings to each of us.

In fact if we change to the point at which we are at peace then transition is probably/ nearly complete. As Laurie wrote, "As an androgyne, Transition means something completely different.  There is no "opposite sex" (or rather, they all are opposite)."

My opinion is the minimum to transition is HRT and living as the opposite sex.  Since I do not dress or live as the opposite sex I do not consider myself transitioning.  My GG friends at this site (and my wife) would strongly disagree with me if they read that last comment. 

W

if you're [not] transitioning to any "new" / "different"  [sex] or [gender], why call it transition then?  it sounds more like [modification]; a few nicks here, a few tucks there but nothing concrete really, from one limbo to another.  at least that's the way i see it.

Quote from: Wendy on April 24, 2007, 02:53:13 PM
Lisbeth I can not tell your eye color from your picture.  I was teasing about myself.  Sorry. 

I was teasing you back.  I have to watch out.  Being part Scandinavian and part Celtic, my humour can be a dangerous thing.  Sort of like b->-bleeped-<-ipes are.

Quote from: Wendy on April 18, 2007, 12:30:45 PM
That means 60% consider transitioning to be equal to or greater than "HRT and living as the opposite sex". 

I think that result reflects the fact that most people who transition follow that path.  Which, of course, raises the question of how much of our thinking has been imposed on us by the Standards of Care.  How much has the SoC caused us to believe those who are following that treatment path are transtioning and others are not?  And how much has the SoC caused "self-selection" so that people who are following that path are more likely to answer the poll?