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[M2F] - Anyone from England?? What are the Procedures???

Started by Lazarus, April 27, 2012, 05:39:59 PM

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spacial

Quote from: Jamie D on May 07, 2012, 04:34:12 AM
Socialized medicine  ::)

Done me pretty well also.

Though those who have to still put up with the likes of me and Stephen Hawking might disgaree.   ;D
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pebbles

They are useless. But don't pretend that privatized healthcare is any better those ->-bleeped-<--heads would just leave you to die. While it's against the rules I suggest you do it yourself get hormones however you can take them and transition and live your own life, Nobody will help you.

I was 20 when I went to them the first GP I went to there was unhelpful and mean spirited voicing his hostility to transsexuals, he said he'd refer me on but he didn't.

I then started self-medicating a year and a half after that and transitioned without them

After 9 months HRT starting to live full time I went in to speak to a different GP he was better. He initially referred me onto a local mental health specialist which took about a month. He told me he thought I had gender dysphora and not schizophrenia or anything like that.

They then sent off for funding at the PCT this took nearly 8 months. Once the funding was approved I was given an appointment at charing cross 9 months later. I went to that appointment it lasted 20 minutes he basically asked about my history, then suggested I get a blood test and gave me the form for one of those. And said I need to come back for a second opinion in there next appointment which was 5 months later. I've not had a chance to goto that one yet I don't know if they've gotten my blood test results they don't answer the phone.

Utterly useless I was 20 when I first asked for help, 22/23 when I went full time I'm 25 now and I've still not been "formally" prescribed HRT. Most transwomen on here have not only transitioned after I have but have had SRS and moved on.

I sincerely don't think any hope is coming I'm alone in this and any action must be made by me.
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spacial

Pebbles.

I strongly suggest you contact Charing Cross and make another appointment now.

They will have your results by now and in any case, they won't be necessary for the second opinion.

I know its frustrating, but the reasons such procedures are so difficult to get is to stop time wasters or those who might later say, it seemed a good idea at the time.

For the record, the private route is also available over here. There's a bucket load of private insurance available for those who want to pay. And many jobs, organisations, even unions, offer Bupa coverage as one of their perks.

The problem with those, mainly in the US, who attack what they call socialised medicine is a bit of a mystery. (Actually, politeness and the rules here prevent anything more clear). It makes no difference to those who want or receive private medicine. Both work equally well, side by side.
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Siobhan

Well I've ordered hrt meds from an online pharmacy, im not waiting years, i want to get with things and have a life. Ive started saving for ffs and laser too.I will still pursue the nhs route but do so as I get things done my own way.
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El

Ah the NHS, they'll fix your broken arm, cure your disease, prescribe you the medicine that you need all quickly efficiently and free. But if you hae any form of mental health problem you are pretty much screwed!
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spacial

El really has summed it up.

Those of us who've had to deal with mental health issues know the experiences of being pushed to the most junior incompetent they think they can get away with.

In the case of Pebbles though, I really think she can get things moving with some gentle naggs.

Transgender is a little different from other mental illnesses, in that, it tends to be something that has an identifiable solution. But gentle persuasion will still be needed.
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El

Charing cross are difficult to say the least. Ive heard nothing but good from people that have been there and are receiving treatment however their admin is sloppy, they never answer the phones and they combine this accidental gate keeping with intentional gate keeping (which if the place was properly run is definitely warranted to prevent "regretters") resulting in people who need help not receiving it.
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Lazarus

Quote from: El on May 08, 2012, 12:12:18 PM
Ah the NHS, they'll fix your broken arm, cure your disease, prescribe you the medicine that you need all quickly efficiently and free. But if you hae any form of mental health problem you are pretty much screwed!

Thanks for boosting my already depletion confidence in the system. ;)
Ye.. it sucks soo much, it can't suck any more can it? 
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spacial

akira

It's a matter of playing the system. As El points out, it is top heavy with administrators who seem at least, to have an agenda, though I personally suspect they are simply so busy building their own little empires that proper admin is neglected. It is almost impossible to complain simply because few medical professionals want to risk upsetting their administrators.

I had a surgeon dealing with me in 2000 who was known to be unpopular with her admins. I wrote to her about something and she didn't receive the letter. After about 6 months, I went personally and discovered it had simply been lost in an over complicated system.

It is made the worse for those dealing with any mental health issues, simply because this group are so easy to label as problematic.

As transgender, you have an advantage, firstly, your treatment is predictable, Secondly, other problems associated with mental health are not always so evident.

Now, be polite, persistent and contact people. Pebbles, for example, is waiting for her blood test results. These will have been sent some time ago. She needs to contact the Dr concerned, directly, if possible, and remind them that she is still there.

I appreciate that some might claim this is evidence of the general problems associated with an NHS. The reality is, these are problems associated with British and especially English society. This is clearly evident by looking at other, similar NHS's in other societies. I know of an African country that has a very good NHS, in theory. There are some enormous problems with some quite unpleasant consequences.  Only when you look at these in the context of that society can they be understood.

The solutions to all societies problems are found by looking more closely at the actual society and the various local cultures. Political dogma is part of a problem, never a solution.
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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: El on May 08, 2012, 12:12:18 PM
Ah the NHS, they'll fix your broken arm, cure your disease, prescribe you the medicine that you need all quickly efficiently and free. But if you hae any form of mental health problem you are pretty much screwed!


Quote from: akira on May 07, 2012, 06:11:44 AM
FML... I hate the UK system!!!

I hated the U.K NHS GIC system too! at the time I was at the London GIC I had done two years of RLT, changed my name etc and they still wouldn't start me on HRT. I had to go private to start on HRT.  The NHS GIC psych's try and play god with your lives and can drive some people to severe depression.

In my opinion the U.K NHS system sucks and it needs a lot of careful upgrading, both in the way patients are treated on a personal level and the standard of psychiatry also needs upgrading too. In comparison we are 20 years behind countries like Holland, Germany and the USA regarding the treatment of Gender Dysphoria.
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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El

It makes it even more of an insult to injury that my views on the NHS as a whole are extremely favorable. In my 23 years on this earth i have probably spent more time in hospitals etc than a lot of older people and the NHS has treated me efficiently nearly every step of the way. Why this does not translate over to the GIC side of things I don't know............
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Bexi

Quote from: Siobhan on May 08, 2012, 11:53:00 AM
Well I've ordered hrt meds from an online pharmacy, im not waiting years, i want to get with things and have a life. Ive started saving for ffs and laser too.I will still pursue the nhs route but do so as I get things done my own way.
I did this too at the beginning of my transition.

The nearest Gender Clinic to me (the Sandyford in Glasgow) has a waiting list in excess of 6 months, and I wasn't going to wait that long. The receptionist actually said that sometimes the waiting times are extended to ensure that the people who turn up to their appointments are fully committed to transitioning and haven't scheduled a meeting in a pique of depression/questioning/desperation.
Quote from: El on May 09, 2012, 07:32:03 AM
It makes it even more of an insult to injury that my views on the NHS as a whole are extremely favorable. In my 23 years on this earth i have probably spent more time in hospitals etc than a lot of older people and the NHS has treated me efficiently nearly every step of the way. Why this does not translate over to the GIC side of things I don't know............
I also have a favourable opinion of the NHS, but I think that whereas a broken bone, fever, ailment are generally straightforward to diagnose and fix, mental health problems are much more difficult to identify and treat. Normally they require a lot of conversation and interaction to build up a relationship in order to identify the problem but this in turn requires a lot of effort and slows down patient turnover.

But also, the treatment of Gender dysphoria is still a relatively unexplored subject and its only in the past 30 or 40 years that advances have been made and its becoming more acceptable in society.
X
Sometimes you have to trust people to understand you are not perfect
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pebbles

Quote from: spacial on May 08, 2012, 12:28:34 PM
El really has summed it up.

Those of us who've had to deal with mental health issues know the experiences of being pushed to the most junior incompetent they think they can get away with.

In the case of Pebbles though, I really think she can get things moving with some gentle naggs.

Transgender is a little different from other mental illnesses, in that, it tends to be something that has an identifiable solution. But gentle persuasion will still be needed.
My wording in my post was unintentionally obtuse My second appointment is in august. my first was in march this year. hence why I've not had a chance to talk to them yet.
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carolinejeo

Another good UK resource:

http://www.nuttycats.com

You need to apply for membership but it is a great and very friendly site.

Caroline
Procrastination is your worst enemy.
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Lazarus

Quote from: El on May 09, 2012, 07:32:03 AM
It makes it even more of an insult to injury that my views on the NHS as a whole are extremely favorable. In my 23 years on this earth i have probably spent more time in hospitals etc than a lot of older people and the NHS has treated me efficiently nearly every step of the way. Why this does not translate over to the GIC side of things I don't know............

Thank you for all the various replies. I'm sorry for not getting back sooner but I've been away. Subsequently I've been going through a major path of self-discovery...
Since posting this thread there have been some progress!!! I've seen a shrink, been refereed to charing cross and now I'm back in the waiting game once again.. So much fun! ::)
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big kim

Another North West girl here,my experience with NHS
August 1989 saw GP about gender dysphoria started growing hair out
October 1989 saw local psychiatrist who threatened to section me,went back to GP for referral to someone prepared to treat me
January 1990 self medicated(I know you shouldn't) started electrolysis lived in role at nights and socialised on gay scene
May 1991 finally got appointment at Charing Cross
September 1991 changed gender roles prescribed HRT and Androcur
January 1992 started speech therapy
October 1993 referred for surgery
December 1994 GRS
I know it was a long time ago I had hoped things would have improved,good luck and best wishes
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FTMDiaries

Glad to hear you've made some progress. :)

However, I thought (what with everything you've already been through) that you may want know that there's currently a waiting list problem at Charing Cross. You might want to investigate alternatives.

I too was referred to Charing Cross last year, but they haven't even processed my paperwork yet despite having received it more than 6 months ago. I've chased them up a couple of times and they've admitted that they've been overwhelmed by an inordinately large number of new referrals. They've also had some problems with admin staff shortagess... so to cut a long story short, they have a massive backlog of new cases and new patients are having to wait much longer than usual to be seen. They're trying to recruit more staff but a lot of people who were referred recently may not get to see anyone until 2014.

So I investigated the other GICs near me and have asked my GP to refer me to one that only has a waiting list of a month (two weeks if you're desperate!) for new referrals. So if you haven't yet received your appointment from Charing Cross, you might want to ring them to check on the progress of your referral to see if you're in the same boat as me. Then ring the other GICs and see what their waiting times are like. You might save yourself many months of waiting. ;)





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Lazarus

Quote from: FTMDiaries on February 17, 2013, 11:48:29 AM
Glad to hear you've made some progress. :)

However, I thought (what with everything you've already been through) that you may want know that there's currently a waiting list problem at Charing Cross. You might want to investigate alternatives.

I too was referred to Charing Cross last year, but they haven't even processed my paperwork yet despite having received it more than 6 months ago. I've chased them up a couple of times and they've admitted that they've been overwhelmed by an inordinately large number of new referrals. They've also had some problems with admin staff shortagess... so to cut a long story short, they have a massive backlog of new cases and new patients are having to wait much longer than usual to be seen. They're trying to recruit more staff but a lot of people who were referred recently may not get to see anyone until 2014.

So I investigated the other GICs near me and have asked my GP to refer me to one that only has a waiting list of a month (two weeks if you're desperate!) for new referrals. So if you haven't yet received your appointment from Charing Cross, you might want to ring them to check on the progress of your referral to see if you're in the same boat as me. Then ring the other GICs and see what their waiting times are like. You might save yourself many months of waiting. ;)

Thanks for the heads up. My shrink informs me the alternative would be Leeds and they currently have a seven year waiting list  (OMFG!!)

Though if you read here you'll know what's been happening... and what's coming - I'm beginning to think I'm created with damaged parts :(
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