I can't, and I am bad at/hate research, but I can swear that I've read a lot of very convincing evidence on this, to the point that I wouldn't even doubt of the truth of this, and that it would be false would do much more than surprise me. This is the first time I've ever read of doubts regarding this matter, actually.

Quote from: Kelly-087 on May 10, 2012, 11:03:30 PM
The most radical changes in photos always seem to be younger people.. who look between 18 and 25.. Which i think there studies that suggest hormone treatment is potent before age 25.

Im almost 23.. I just plan to hope to be on hormones by my birthday. If my body weren't receptive I guess I'd have to figure that out later.

So I'm an oddity I guess?!

Quote from: Seyranna on May 12, 2012, 05:36:26 AM
So I'm an oddity I guess?!

Not an oddity more of an ''outlier''. However, better to be an outlier than not having any change.

Quote from: A on May 11, 2012, 09:26:40 PM
I can't, and I am bad at/hate research, but I can swear that I've read a lot of very convincing evidence on this, to the point that I wouldn't even doubt of the truth of this, and that it would be false would do much more than surprise me. This is the first time I've ever read of doubts regarding this matter, actually.

I've seen a large amount of anecdotal evidence that suggests it, but I'm yet to see anything that scientifically proves that age is such a huge factor and I'm pretty good at research.. Is it a factor? Sure, but I don't think it's a large a factor as some seem to believe..

Quote from: Erin on May 10, 2012, 07:28:07 PM
Well for some people yah. However, girls my age after a summer of hrt end up looking great and have lots of breast growth.

It might work better on  the under 20's but I've been on HRT for over 13 years and I haven't noticed a lot of progress. My breast growth is very small and disappointing, my fat re-distribution is also disappointing and it hasn't softened my face. I agree it works better on some more than others regardless of age or race. But the hype about HRT is unbelievable compared to what it can actually do.

There are also many people who end up with having to get breast implants, facial surgery, liposuction and various other feminising operations because HRT just doesn't work for them.

Back to the thread:


the fundamental point of HRT is to iniciate the correction of a biological error; and it is but one of the many tools exploited to fix the biological mishap

I think the fundamental problem here is that no one claimed that age was an absolute factor. I just said that no matter the initial predisposition (which IS a hugely important factor as well), age has further effect on that number. E.g. if you're supposed to react super well to HRT at 20, you'll still be well over average at 30, but not as high in the statistical curve as you'd have been at 20.

Also, it's possible that age doesn't ALWAYS have the same effect. There might be another genetic/other factor that determines how much age affects your ability to transition. But that would be hard to determine, except maybe in a morally controversed experience on twins [if they're trans, one's allowed happiness soon and the other has to wait unfairly, and if they're not, they're sort of turned into trans people ^^']

kelly_aus: If you can't find anything and are better than I, then I'll believe you. It's possible that I somehow combined the fact that I read scientific proof of something else trans related and my doctor's categorical statement that age was important and the whole lot of anecdotal evidence into a memory of reading proof of age's effect in HRT's efficiency. But even if there's no proof, I don't think I'll stop believing that age is a very significant factor.

Seyranna: Rather a lucky person. Plus, I really believe in transdermal patch HRT's effectiveness, and if I'm right, it might have been a factor.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on May 12, 2012, 06:53:49 AM
It might work better on  the under 20's but I've been on HRT for over 13 years and I haven't noticed a lot of progress. My breast growth is very small and disappointing, my fat re-distribution is also disappointing and it hasn't softened my face. I agree it works better on some more than others regardless of age or race. But the hype about HRT is unbelievable compared to what it can actually do.

There are also many people who end up with having to get breast implants, facial surgery, liposuction and various other feminising operations because HRT just doesn't work for them.

sometimes i wonder about the hype about hormones pre puberty , i mean people like kim petra had great results but she looked like a little girl before she ever took any female hormones . they say that all the mausclinization occures during puberty and the teenage years but  i think there are defiantly young boys around the age of 8 etc who do look very much mauscline/ boyish even if you grew out there hair and put them in a dress they would still look male . so would someone like that who started hormones young achieve great results or still end up needing FFS when they are old enough to have surgery

Most probably not. There -are- differences in children, but they're relatively small, and they vanish after just a little while on HRT. Plus, I think that at least 50 % of that difference is due to the undeniable masculine impression we get from short hair and such, and at least 25 % of it comes from the fact that boys typically do different things from girls, e.g. they tend to be more physical, and as such, would have more muscle in average (children's hormone levels don't differ a whole lot from one gender to the other, so I'm sure not all of the muscle mass difference in children can be attributed to hormones).

Anyone needing FFS after very early HRT would have needed it as a born female anyway - they're just very masculine-looking genetically. And such a case is super rare. The very, very vast majority of females don't need any surgery to appear female, and I think it's (almost?) the same for MTFs who haven't lived a male puberty.

That, or she started at, say, 12, but had an exceptionally early puberty, and was already quite masculinised by the time she started HRT. I guess such a thing could happen in a few cases.