Hey Everyone!


I'm about nearly 8 weeks into my HRT and have seen some crazy changes, however, I have been curious about my further expected changes so I've been looking around and I found some things that really plagued my mine. I have seen many instances where people say one thing and another person saying another. Now, I understand that each and every individual is different but surely HRT would, in essence, have somewhat have the same effect on everyone, no? So therefore everyone has the same if not similar outcomes. But aforementioned, some people are saying contradictory things and I would just like to know and dispel any myths regarding HRT.

Here are somethings that have confused me and would like to hear your experiences of HRT with things like:

HRT causes:

Hair on head to go quicker and stronger
Feet shrinkage to a size or two smaller
Facial hair growth is slower (doesn't go away entirely??)
Hair over body fades to vellus hair?
Hair on legs become non-existent?
Dry skin/ Oily Skin -causing breakouts
Musculature is slimmed down - muscles gets smaller
Libido dies
Penis Shrinkage
Ocular shape change


I think that's all I have heard so far... any input is highly appreciated


-danni

Hair on head to go quicker and stronger   - Not sure about this?
Feet shrinkage to a size or two smaller - Not that I know of?
Facial hair growth is slower (doesn't go away entirely??) - It might slow a little bit? But I haven't noticed much or hear of much.
Hair over body fades to vellus hair? - I wish! Might reduce a little bit, but majority of hair is still there.
Hair on legs become non-existent? - Nope
Dry skin/ Oily Skin -causing breakouts - Drier skin, but no breakouts
Musculature is slimmed down - muscles gets smaller - Yup
Libido dies - Yes and no... friskiness has changed I would say... not just in a "more" or "less" way
Penis Shrinkage - nope
Ocular shape change - i heard of this, but not that i know of?

Quote from: danni8891 on May 19, 2012, 11:21:22 PM
Hair on head to go quicker and stronger I've seen it as reported. Mine -did- do that, but I inconveniently switched to a great shampoo when I started HRT, so~
Feet shrinkage to a size or two smaller I definitely believe it's possible. It's probably a matter of how much muscle you had in your feet to begin with, and how much HRT makes you lose. I hope mine do that~
Facial hair growth is slower (doesn't go away entirely??) Nope, doesn't go away at all. Mine got -a little- softer and grows -a little- slower, but nothing amazing.
Hair over body fades to vellus hair? Not all of it for most, but yes, it does somewhat go in that direction. Mine is headed there, too, even though I don't know if it'll ever reach that blissful stage.
Hair on legs become non-existent? No. Unless you have almost zero to begin with. Most women have relatively thick leg hair, too.
Dry skin/ Oily Skin -causing breakouts It can cause acne. Oily skin is improbable. Dry skin is relatively frequent, but you just need to moisturise a little bit more. It's rarely a problem.
Musculature is slimmed down - muscles gets smaller Yes, it generally happens. To what extent, though, is up to your genes.
Libido dies It depends on people a lot. Mine did completely. I think that basically the physical part of libido is greatly affected, but if one has psychological libido, that one stays, so they might not feel much of a difference.
Penis Shrinkage Happens~. Mine did, anyway.
Ocular shape change That's one of the first visible changes I noticed. It's somewhat subtle, but to me, it's really obvious. And I love it. I think HRT can, uhm, reconfigure the way your "automatic" eyelid muscles work. My eyes open much more downwards now, whereas the lower part used to be almost a straight line.

Hair on head to go quicker and stronger:I've noticed my hair has grown out a lot faster, texture also changed.
Feet shrinkage to a size or two smaller: Yes, size 12 shoes don't fit me anymore!
Facial hair growth is slower (doesn't go away entirely??) :Grows slower, yes.
Hair over body fades to vellus hair? :Nope.
Hair on legs become non-existent? :Nope.
Dry skin/ Oily Skin -causing breakouts :Skin has gotten better.
Musculature is slimmed down -muscles gets smaller:Yes.
Libido dies : Definitely.
Penis Shrinkage :Yes ://
Ocular shape change: Nope.

Been on HRT for almost 10 months.

The problem is people are ignorant of science and rational evidence based arguing. So everyone says things as facts without evidence to support it and form logically fallacious conclusions from personal experiences.



Hair on head to go quicker and stronger - Maybe, hormones do influence hair

Feet shrinkage to a size or two smaller - Doubtful, mostly a bone structure thing, but it could reduce muscles creating that appearence.

Facial hair growth is slower (doesn't go away entirely??) - Absolutely possible, won't happen for everyone, but in some cases it can completely eliminate terminal facial hair, most likely to happen if you start around or before 21. Longer you've had the hair the less likely it gets to be effective.

Hair over body fades to vellus hair? - Absolutely possible, and more likely than the above

Hair on legs become non-existent? - Doubtful depending on your ethnicity. Most women have natural hair on their legs so why would it? Can definitely reduce the amount into normal ranges though.

Dry skin/ Oily Skin -causing breakouts - Possible, hormones do influence skin.

Musculature is slimmed down - muscles gets smaller - Probably due to reduced of testosterone to maintain muscles.

Libido dies - Possible, happens to some people but not others.

Penis Shrinkage - Possible, happens to some people but not others.

Ocular shape change - Doubtful but similar to the foot size issue.

There are a lot of myths about HRT and many of the myths disguise themselves as being myths, Like the myth that it won't affect facial hair. It CAN... but only for some people dependent on age and other factors.

YMMV

22 months HRT, 8 months SRS

Hair on head to go quicker and stronger: Quicker yes, stronger no

Feet shrinkage to a size or two smaller: MAYBE 1/2 size, not wearing socks also helps

Facial hair growth is slower (doesn't go away entirely??) Slower yes, not going away even after 100s of hours electrolysis and plenty laser sessions

Hair over body fades to vellus hair? Not quite vellus, but much thinned and lots thinner, almost invisible by now.

Hair on legs become non-existent? Same as above

Dry skin/ Oily Skin -causing breakouts: Yes, dryer and breakouts

Musculature is slimmed down - muscles gets smaller: Yes, noticeable on arms, shoulder and back muscles

Libido dies: Hum, yes

Penis Shrinkage: Well, gone by now, but yes had shrunk about 1/4 after ~ 12 month HRT


Ocular shape change: Still wearing same strength reading glasses...

Axélle

Hair on head to go quicker and stronger
Almost totally unqualified to answer 

Feet shrinkage to a size or two smaller
About 1 size for me. At first I speculated due to overall decrease in muscle mass. THat is far from the case with my legs with all the walking I do

Facial hair growth is slower (doesn't go away entirely??)
From needing to shave every day to perhaps 3 days. The AA seems to be more of a determining factor then estrogen levels

Hair over body fades to vellus hair?
After nearly 3 years kinda sorta. Depends where.

Hair on legs become non-existent?
Greatly decreased but still grows. For some odd reason my kneecaps still grow at the same rate with the same coarse hair. Weird

Dry skin/ Oily Skin -causing breakouts
Certainly drier to dry skin compared to the oil gushers I had for pores. Thanks more to the AA I think then estrogen

Musculature is slimmed down - muscles gets smaller
Decreased testosterone will do that if you don't actively work at keeping the muscles

Penis Shrinkage
Can't honestly say yes. I think this has a lot more to libido and level of arousal

Ocular shape change
My pre-Jurasaic age disqualifies me from answering

I would add:
Perspiration and/or body odor changes
Heightened sense of smell and taste

Axélle, I don't think that's what she meant by "ocular shape". ^^' It was about the appearance.

Hair on head to go quicker and stronger - Quicker, yep... stronger? Nope. Unless by stronger you mean more plentiful. Then yep. I went from medium density to high density in a few months.

Feet shrinkage to a size or two smaller - I went from a 10.5 womens to between an 8w and 9 regular

Facial hair growth is slower (doesn't go away entirely??) A few follicles came in slower, but I still needed to shave as much as I ever had before HRT

Hair over body fades to vellus hair? It's SLOWLY becoming finer

Hair on legs become non-existent? Not yet after 9 months. Not even close. I shave less often now though

Dry skin/ Oily Skin -causing breakouts Absolutely. Testosterone is a major player in the production of sebum, which is an oily substance that protects your skin from the sun. It is also the stuff that causes the reaction that leads to blackheads. Sebum has a potential of being produced from every follicle on your body (and scalp), including the vellus hair. Once testosterone is cut down, it's likely that your sebaceous glands will produce much less sebum, leading to more clear / dry skin. I would also like to add, it's smart to invest in sunblock. With less sebum, it's essential to use a little sunblock every day. Without it, UVA rays will destroy the elasticity in your skin, which is what gives people the aged appearance.

Musculature is slimmed down - muscles gets smaller Yep. I lost 4" off my chest alone in about 2 months. It turns into fat I hope you have a high metabolism!!!

Libido dies I wouldn't say die. More like changes. I could write so much on this, but to summarize, different things turn me on. It's not the physical things that make me wanna do it, it's the emotional connection.

Penis Shrinkage Yeah that thing shriveled up and died, lol! Well not really, but it seems like it sometimes

Ocular shape change I think it's just fatty deposits around your eyes that make it seem like the shape has changed.

Quote from: A on May 20, 2012, 09:08:25 AM
Axélle, I don't think that's what she meant by "ocular shape". ^^' It was about the appearance.

Woopsy, really?... Ass size 12 (now), top size 14 (now) - was size 10 and 16 respectively.
A lot of middle aged women would love my bottom and my legs - even my 'sporty' (for an older female) shoulders and arms.
In fact I was told just that not too long ago (about my arms).
As far as legs go... this is one ongoing thing getting compliments just walking in the street, and getting wolfs-whistles going past some filling-station.
I always wave a thank you and swing my hips some extra

I hope this will take care of the 'ocular' bit, eh?

Axélle
PS: Gosh, still wrong --- I always had nice blue eyes, this was also mentioned quite some. Did they change? Not really, they fine the way the are and have stayed. I did have an eyelift some 20 odd years back I should mention.

Okay, uhm, she meant, uhm, the shape of your eyes. As in, if they open wider like mine.

Quote from: A on May 20, 2012, 11:30:00 AM
Okay, uhm, she meant, uhm, the shape of your eyes. As in, if they open wider like mine.

actually, I meant the overall shape of the eyeball. Apparently it changes??


in regards to everyone's replies, I see it everyone's different I guess it really depends on the individual. Personally for me, the hair on my legs barely grow anymore and its only been 8 weeks. I don't know but maybe it is because I epilate and used to wax that my hair follicles must have become inactive.. or not as active as it used to be pre-HRT. Although, if genetics did play an important part then I'll be hairless? My mum since she was a teenager never needed to shave her legs, and to this day, she doesn't have a single hair on any part of her leg or body. Although, that being said...she is balding/thinning at the age of 65.

I do hope that musculature, for me at least, changes because I'm a very broad shouldered and large legged individual. People have said I have beyoncé legs. :S

Uhm, the eyeball just cannot change. The eyes are the only part of our body that doesn't change (except damage) from birth to death. What -can- change is how your eyes look. How wide they open. Maybe the angle of your eyelids. Things like that. But the eyeball itself wouldn't change no matter what. I mean, if its shape changed, we'd start doing astigmatism, which is bad news!

Quote from: A on May 20, 2012, 08:05:12 PM
Uhm, the eyeball just cannot change. The eyes are the only part of our body that doesn't change (except damage) from birth to death. What -can- change is how your eyes look. How wide they open. Maybe the angle of your eyelids. Things like that. But the eyeball itself wouldn't change no matter what. I mean, if its shape changed, we'd start doing astigmatism, which is bad news!

lol. I guess.. if it did... I have slight astigmatism already so if it did.. might correct it.. ahaha

but still good news that eye shape will change.

Hair on head to go quicker and stronger: Yes, from what I can tell.  My hair is definitely thicker and softer and I think it grows a lot faster.
Feet shrinkage to a size or two smaller: When I was looking for shoes pre-HRT it was a stretch to fit into an 11, but now I regularly fit into 10s and can fit into some 9.5s
Facial hair growth is slower (doesn't go away entirely??): Possibly, but it's hard to measure because I've had laser as well.  It definitely won't go away without laser/electrolysis
Hair over body fades to vellus hair?: Besides my legs (and genitals), my body hair has lightened to the point where it's not noticeable
Hair on legs become non-existent?: Where did you hear this?  It slows down leg hair growth, but it will always be there.  Cis-girls naturally have leg hair and so will you.
Dry skin/ Oily Skin -causing breakouts: Skin softens, acne virtually disappears
Musculature is slimmed down - muscles gets smaller: I quickly (within 3 months) noticed a significant decrease in my strength.  Not that I really cared all that much
Libido dies: For the most part.  Erections will still occasionally occur
Penis Shrinkage: I'm not sure?  The testicles definitely shrink, but I don't know if the penis itself has
Ocular shape change: Somewhat, but I'm still not completely happy with the way my eyes are shaped- but I also have major body image issues, so I may not be incredibly reliable on this one

I've been on HRT for about a year now, so I'll mention roughly when any of these things happened, if at all..

HRT causes:

Hair on head to go quicker and stronger - It seems to grow a little quicker than it did, not sure when that started though..
Feet shrinkage to a size or two smaller - No change there for me at all.
Facial hair growth is slower (doesn't go away entirely??) - mine has slowed quite a bit, it now takes me 2 or 3 days to grow what used to be a days growth. That seemed to happen around month 7 or 8.
Hair over body fades to vellus hair? - Mine started changing about 3 or 4 months in, but only after I'd waxed it a few times..
Hair on legs become non-existent? - hasn't happened to me, it has reduced though. Again that was at about 3 or 4 months.
Dry skin/ Oily Skin -causing breakouts  - My skin is much improved, less oily, finer pores, softer.. That started fairly quickly.
Musculature is slimmed down - muscles gets smaller - That's been happening slowly since about month 5 or 6.
Libido dies - Hasn't really happened. It's changed for sure, but hasn't died.
Penis Shrinkage - Started about 3 months in..
Ocular shape change - Doesn't happen.. The eyelids and muscles around the eyes may change a little, mine have abd I'm not quite sure when it happened.

Quote from: A on May 20, 2012, 08:05:12 PM
Uhm, the eyeball just cannot change. The eyes are the only part of our body that doesn't change (except damage) from birth to death. What -can- change is how your eyes look. How wide they open. Maybe the angle of your eyelids. Things like that. But the eyeball itself wouldn't change no matter what. I mean, if its shape changed, we'd start doing astigmatism, which is bad news!

Well, believe it or not, it is said, the curvature of one's lens will change, be affected by estrogen...
Since I already have astigmatism needing #3 reading-glasses, I can't tell either way.

Are more women short-sighted (visually :-) than men? In my experience I could answer that with YES.
(Actually vision, seems to go hand in hand with the psychological 'sight' too - also my experience)
Men tend to become more 'long-sighted' (I am... um). Funny enough the male/female sight pattern was explained just that way by some optometrist-consultant at my last factory job.
Men have 'hunter-vision' he said, women ... I forget, but something that helps with doing fine delicate close work with their hands.
E has not changed my astigmatism. My long sightedness? Maybe.

Axélle
PS: and PLEASE no comments about being sexist now - pretty please?

What? The crystaline lens is affected by oestrogen? I wasn't even sure there was blood going there.

Well, that's surprising. (But the eyeball won't change, still, right?)

Quote from: A on May 20, 2012, 11:41:23 PM
What? The crystaline lens is affected by oestrogen? I wasn't even sure there was blood going there.

Well, that's surprising. (But the eyeball won't change, still, right?)

Eye-ball would not change with E, my understanding.
BTW, crystalline lens... ONLY if REPLACED!

The natural lens is made of something far more flexible... i.e. made of mostly water and protein..." remember, it can grow cataracts - and it CAN bend too.


Axélle

"Only if replaced"?

I know its shape changes, but I didn't know blood, let alone oestrogen, reached there. After all, there's no trace of red in there. I thought it was an inanimate organ, only chemically reacting to light.