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Started by 200, May 23, 2012, 09:43:56 PM

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Hello, I am new to the community and I am fairly young and still in the process of figuring things out.

I recently came to terms with my gender confusion and would like some advice/help (warning..wall of text).

Let's start with some background information.
I am biologically a female, but have always been in favor of male clothing/attributes/traits. As a child, I was led to believe this affinity stemmed from my older brother, who was my sole friend and playmate. I followed him around and tried my best to make myself into a copy of him, which I hear is quite normal behavior for a younger sibling. My parents always dressed me very femininely, in cute little dresses and whatnot. I was very athletic, liked to run around and ride my tricycle and eventually my bicycle. Growing up, from about Kindergarten to 4th grade, most, if not all of my friends were male. I never played with action figures or dolls, only stuffed animals. In fact, when I was about 6-7 years old, for my birthday a family friend bought me a Barbie doll. I showed disgust when my mom presented it to me and she placed it somewhere in my room. I brought it back to her months later, saying "Mommy can have this. I don't need it anymore." I consider that my earliest memory of my gender confusion. I also had strong yearnings for a short haircut, often imagining myself with short hair, more like my brother's.
Around 4th-5th grade is when I began puberty and started to hate my body. I hated the monthly periods, the development of my breasts as well as my hips, everything. I felt uncomfortable in public while adjusting to these new body parts. It felt and looked so incredibly wrong, that I did not know what to do. At school and at home I was taught that it was normal to feel confused during puberty, but to what certain degree? I didn't know. I thought my dysphoria was normal, and that I would get over it. During 6th grade I became more social (I was an antisocial recluse before) and became friends with people. This was my effort to be normal. And it worked, for some time. Eventually I reached the breaking point. I tried to kill myself for reasons that I did not even understand at the time. I only knew that I felt very sad and depressed and had given up and had thought that life was not so worth living. Unfortunately my breakdown was during a school event and I was required to have a psychiatrist analysis before returning. After, I went into therapy for a year. During that year, I lied. I told them all my problems were because I didn't like the people at my school. To be honest, I didn't know what was the matter. At some point, I got involved with a girl and I started to develop feelings for her. It wasn't until long after until I realized that these feelings were beyond the point of friendship and I started to think I may be gay. At the time, I didn't understand homosexuality and was afraid of it because of the heteronormativity that exists in our society. Over the years I realized this was something I had no control over, and accepted my sexual orientation. I came out to my closest friends, and I felt so relieved when they said they didn't have a problem with it. But I knew that wasn't the end of it. Something still felt wrong.

Last year in the beginning of freshman year I joined our school's GSA and one day we were talking about transgendered people. I was instantly intrigued and found out more about it in my own time. From watching YouTube videos of transitioning people and their thoughts and feelings, I felt that I could really connect and relate to what they were saying/going through. I began binding daily and dressing in a more masculine/unisex way. I never wore feminine clothing and to formal events (I play the piano so I am always playing at recitals, competitions, auditions and such) I wore collared shirts with ties. I hadn't worn a dress or a skirt in 10 years (14, almost 15 years old now). Just the thought of doing so felt undeniably wrong, as if doing that would break some kind of secret rule that everyone knows about without anyone telling them. At this point my parents noticed that I was more masculine than feminine and my mom was truly upset about this, never being able to have a "pretty little princess." They said I was a tomboy and that was okay but my mom told me that I would probably start dressing more feminine when I became older, that now was my "experimental" stage.

Now, more than half a year from then, I have felt more uncomfortable with my body than ever before. I stopped binding because it's hard to breathe (my chest is not that large...32A cup, but I have a small frame in general...I'm only 5 feet) and it hurts and I worry that if I wear it for too long that I will start having respiratory problems, which I absolutely do not want. I don't wear bras anymore because they feel wrong as well. Instead, I wear baggy clothing like sweatpants paired w/ a sweatshirt/jacket and I wear a tank top underneath. I cut my hair shorter, and often get mistaken for a young boy from the back. I receive tremendous discomfort from looking at my breasts/hips/waist/butt, those are really the only areas that I have a problem with. I looked into solutions for these and plan to have top surgery + mansculpture with Dr. Garramone in Florida at some point when I am in college (4+ years!). My only concern is that I do not consider myself trans...I really don't see myself as male or female, I just see myself as myself. I also don't mind being called a boy or a girl, he or she, etc. So I would like to remain female because if I decided to transition then that would result in the loss of my family and probably some of my rights (unfortunately). My family is not religious at all, but they come from China and it is quite obviously something unknown to them and that means they probably disagree with it. I also have not come out to my parents (as gay). I often find my father making nasty comments about gay men, which my mother berates him for because it's none of his business and it's mean. I remember once my mother told me that she watched the transition process of a male to female transgender. The way she talked about it didn't really seem like she was bothered by it. She did refer to the person as a ->-bleeped-<-...but she probably did not realise that it is a derogatory term. It seems that my mother is more accepting of gays and transgendered peoples, but my father is not so fond of it, often joking about it and mocking it. However, I feel that if I did come out to them they would be horrified and our relationship would become strained and eventually fall apart. They feel that being gay/transgender is fine because it's really unrelated to them and it's other people's lives and they can do what they want, but if it was their own child they would not even tolerate it. Right now I'm just trying to ease my dysphoria with my body, and there's not much I can do. At 5'0 and 100 lbs, I'm at a healthy weight level so losing weight is not an option, and I am already quite fit since I jog a lot. Yesterday I told one of my good friends about my confusion and she seemed to be okay with it, but she didn't really know too much and could not offer me any advice. Before I realized how I felt I never understood how a person could feel like they were different from what they were born as, but now since I am going through it I understand it but I still can't believe that such a thing can happen, regarding psychology and biology. I began to cry because I was so confused and didn't understand anything. All I ever wanted was to be normal. It's not enough to have issues with thinking you're too fat or too skinny, I had to have problems with the actual structure of my body.
Right now I am just wondering what a person should do in my situation. I do very badly want to get surgery to solve my dysphoria issues (really the only issues I'm having right now). I always wear long shirts (naturally, clothes don't fit my because I'm so short) & wear my pants low (don't worry I'm not sagging) to conceal my butt and hips. I want to know if there are other people like myself, who don't really care about their gender but have major dysphoria with their body and do want to proceed with surgery. Could I even get surgery? I read on Garramone's site that one of the requirements for surgery was to have a letter stating that "This is the next step in the transition process." But is this even considered transitioning? I still want to remain my biological gender but in a way, I guess my body will be transitioning. And if anyone has done mansculpture w/ Garramone please let me know what the results were (significant decrease in hip size or no? noticeable?). I am at a stage where a lot of things are turning out completely different from what I expected and I need some support, advice, help, just to know I'm not alone. I would see a gender therapist but obviously that would not work out because I am still a minor and live with my parents (they're not accepting and plus I would not want to spend any more of their money on my personal problems).
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Stewie

I'm really sorry for the situation you are in. In so many ways it seems similar to my own situation. In other ways, not so much. I will start by saying this, and that is that no one on this site can tell you what's right for you or what to do with your life. Only you know what's best. And you will find that out on your own in time.

So, with that, let's move on. You say "So I would like to remain female because if I decided to transition then that would result in the loss of my family and probably some of my rights (unfortunately)." To me this sounds like some of the things I was dealing with almost exactly at your age. The term transgender freaked me out. What I saw online to a certain extent, freaked me out and I thought that my family would never accept me and that society would never accept me. So I told myself that being a lesbian would be enough. Even now, certain laws and things make me fear the world simply because it isn't always welcoming to the LGBT community. I would have believed you are Androgynous, but the fact that you are saying that you won't transition because of these two things to me is a red flag. That's like settling. I mean if you are androgynous, that's 100% fine! BUT you really hate your body, and you are scared of the consequences of transitioning. You are extremely young right now. And it is a fantastic thing that you are exploring yourself and what it means to be trans. You have time. It's okay to be scared. But I will tell you right now that allowing your life to be dictated by the fears you have will only hurt you in the end. And trust me when I say that no matter how much you try to repress something, in the end if it is who you are, it will want to come out.

SO! In the meantime. I want to show you a few links that I think would be to your benefit.

http://www.youtube.com/user/maiyeevue
He is Hmong

http://www.youtube.com/user/CrisPAY89/videos
He is also of Asian descent

AND last but most certainly not least, someone who I think might be interesting for you to meet. She is STRAIGHT. Not trans. But she has chest dysphoria and would like to get top surgery. Just something to look at.
http://www.youtube.com/user/PerpetualTomboy/feed

Regardless, I think it would do you some good to see that even FTM's of asian descent can lead happy lives. It might not be easy but yeah. Just something to look at!

Last piece of advice. Love yourself. Be yourself. You are young, and trust me that later on you will not care what others think as much. It does get a little easier. Times are changing and people are SLOWLY but surely becoming more tolerant.
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dalebert

I would add that you should try to see a therapist, preferably one who specializes in trans issues. I'm sure it's challenging if you're really young but I know there are people here who can help point you in the right direction. Seeing a therapist does NOT mean you're crazy. They're just good at helping you work through things that are very personal and they will respect your privacy.

Stewie

Quote from: dalebert on May 24, 2012, 10:20:59 AM
I would add that you should try to see a therapist, preferably one who specializes in trans issues. I'm sure it's challenging if you're really young but I know there are people here who can help point you in the right direction. Seeing a therapist does NOT mean you're crazy. They're just good at helping you work through things that are very personal and they will respect your privacy.

Yep! I can't believe I didn't even mention that! But the problem with seeing a therapist at that age is that they would have to tell their parents. Maybe through your GSA which always has a teacher in it, they can help you contact a local support group. And through that you CAN find someone to talk to as well.
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insideontheoutside

Unfortunately I don't think you'd be able to have surgery without a therapist/doctor letter that you're "transitioning". Since you don't have a large chest, you can't roll with the "breast reduction" scenario and I highly doubt any medical doctor would do chest reconstruction surgery on someone who wasn't transitioning or didn't have cancer or was getting a normal breast reduction :( It's like how doctors seem to refuse to do any hysto surgery unless there's some major problem.
"Let's conspire to ignite all the souls that would die just to feel alive."
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Natkat

theres many people who dosen't nessesarry identify boy or girl, all exactly.
the transgender comunity isn't only transexuals doing surgery, and only identifying boy or girl, its filled with alot of gender varitations with people who are more gender fluent.

maybe, your should also visit the the andogryne forums for seaching advice.
I do know people who are unsure for there gender who still do stuff like taking homones and so its not imposible, but of corse you should only do what fells right, it the same for everyone.


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wheat thins are delicious

Quote from: insideontheoutside on May 24, 2012, 02:19:02 PM
Unfortunately I don't think you'd be able to have surgery without a therapist/doctor letter that you're "transitioning". Since you don't have a large chest, you can't roll with the "breast reduction" scenario and I highly doubt any medical doctor would do chest reconstruction surgery on someone who wasn't transitioning or didn't have cancer or was getting a normal breast reduction :( It's like how doctors seem to refuse to do any hysto surgery unless there's some major problem.


I know there are some surgeons out there who do top surgery on genderqueer and non transitioning people.  not sure of names but I know they are out there.


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insideontheoutside

Quote from: Andy8715 on May 24, 2012, 02:57:50 PM

I know there are some surgeons out there who do top surgery on genderqueer and non transitioning people.  not sure of names but I know they are out there.

That's good to know ... that at least they're out there.
"Let's conspire to ignite all the souls that would die just to feel alive."
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aleon515

Quote from: Andy8715 on May 24, 2012, 02:57:50 PM

I know there are some surgeons out there who do top surgery on genderqueer and non transitioning people.  not sure of names but I know they are out there.

I have heard on genderqueer youtubes that Garromone will do surgery on non-transitioning, people with severe chest dysphoria, etc. I'm sure there's some need to show therapy or some sort of thing. Haven't really looked into it as I am not that dysphoric. I messaged someone who had contacted him.

Oh yeah, this person is thinking about the "mansculpture thing". If you're curious, there is a bunch of photos of people that have had surgery and a few have say they had mansculpture.  Basically tones down the more curvy shape without testosterone.


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dky

Hey, you are in a really rough place. It won't last forever, you will get older, you will continue to learn more about who you are and what you need to feel ok in your own skin. Waiting sucks and I'm sorry that unless your folks approve you have to wait. Trying to find someone knowledge and who doesn't want to sleep with you to talk to is probably a wise thing to seek out. If its safe to ask the teacher who helps w your gsa awesome, if not find a community resource for your nearest city big enough to have that, also if you live in or near a college, call student services and see if anyone there can be of help, keep coming online and connecting, if you can go to therapy, esp w someone already versed in gender and dysphoria issues, do that.and try not to feel bad that your parents are paying.they basically signed up to pay for what ever you need until you are a certain age, the youngest being 18 when they had you.kids are expensive, everyone who has them knows that. And I don't usually suggest lying, but in your current situation tell your parents anything you need to to get a therapist and be insistent you choose the therapist. You call potential therapists and ask the boring stuff like do they take your parents insurance or how much they charge.then you ask the really important stuff like what do they specialize in, have they treated people with gender concerns, dysphoria, transgender.if so how many people, how do they treat them? Pay attention to how they talk to you, can you imagine trusting the person, being honest with them etc. make sure to ask what their confidentiality practices are when they treat minors, ask for spe,ifics bc that may be crucial to deciding if they are not just educated enough but safe to treat you. All the places you can look for a mentor for lack of a better word gsa, cities w lgbt community services, colleges are all places you can ask for referrals to a good gender therapist.there may be info online too. When you call places, protect your identity until you know it is safe. Before you meet anyone new tell that one friend where you are going, the name of who you plan to meet and when you expect to be done.if things are good and you want to keep talking to someone, call your friend and set a later expected end time. Let the person you are meeting know that someone else knows where you are,of course meet in a public place. Su
some therapists do work from their houses but be extra cautious of I've who does, having you parents take you and pick you up at first until you know its legit and safe. I'm not trying to be a downer but you are young and currently vulnerable.it's hard to remember to protect yourself all the time when you are in such a hard and lonely situation.  I think there is hope that your mom at least will be able to accept you from what you said, maybe your dad too. Since you still rely on them for a place to live and food,etc. Id recommend feeling them out through the media before you consider telling them, unless you are certain that would at least not kick you out, keep feeding and clothing you no matter what and you are prepared to deal w it if it really is bad. I think your folks love you and that given time and education they can come to know you and accept you. There is tons of hope. Also Garromone just did one of my friends surgery including the man sculpting, and he looks awesome.it definately changed his body a ton. My friend has also been on t a couple years and is transitioning, so I don't know about surgery on non transitioning people but I know my friend loves what was done.  I know this response is intense, hearing your story struck something in me. hope the ideas are helpful.
"Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible." HH Dali Lama
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