riven1: By looking at pictures and descriptions, especially considering that I'm posting with a slightly exaggerated waist measurement (not measured in the morning), still have a good 10 male-pattern kilos of fat (and muscle) to lose, much of it being directly on the waist, and have measured not far into HRT with little to no fat redistribution done... I think I might rather be a big strawberry body type. Well, it appears so, at least.

Because despite those negative factors, and basically having a belt of fat at my waist (ew), the more I've been losing weight these last years (I was at 95 Kg = 209 lb at one point), the more I've been seeing the fact that I have a waist below all that appear.

If my hips gain sufficient volume on top of me losing that misplaced fat, I might actually be more of an hourglass *whistles at the hugely wishful statement*.

But when I look into it, between apples and big strawberries, the difference is slight in terms of clothing suggestions.

By the way, everyone~ I'm still especially keen on receiving more online clothes shop suggestions.
(This was the primary purpose of the thread in fact.)

OMG They have free shipping to Europe too! 

C'est Québécois? Mon dieu! Yeah, Anthropologie is quite expensive but I always try to find stuff on sale. And I didn't know anything about urban outfitters not shipping to Quebec. Shame on them.

As far as I can remember, Zara might be also an expensive option. H&M, Forever21, GAP, I'm sure there has to be more, and you can always try to find stores where you live (Montréal, peut-être?)

Good luck! 

Well, there are stores where I live (which is quite far away from Montréal, heh) but as I said, I'm not yet ready to go in and really shop. Or at least not go full-on. But even so, I really want to have something to wear that I like, at least at home, so the Internet is the way to go.

Thus far, no website except Yesstyle (whoo@those shoulders) seems suitable... And unfortunately, my friend is from Europe and none of the stores she visits will ship overseas. Add to that my crappy research skills, and you get a pretty confusing situation.

Anyway, if anyone else has ideas, I'll be happy. In the mean time, I think I'll figure out a way to get my measurement checked, and then... Well, I don't know, I might just try something from Yesstyle anyway. Maybe, as pretty said, since it's the shoulders, they can stick out a little through the sleeves and it won't be the end of the world. Or maybe I'll find a top with a closer shoulder width to mine.

Your shoulder width isn't as big as you might think. Look at these files from an anthropomorphics site. The army one show the average male shoulder breadth for marines in 1996 is 19.42 inches, and for female marines it's 17.03 inches. And in the female UK firefighter survey the mean bi-deltoid breadth is like 18 inches. I think the people who work in these areas would be bigger and stronger, but still, it just goes to show that 17.3 inches isn't so bad as you might think. You can find the files here.

http://www.humanics-es.com/ADA316646.pdf
http://www.humanics-es.com/FireFighterAnthropometry.pdf]http://www.humanics-es.com/FireFighterAnthropometry.pdf[/url]

The thing is, those are for all heights combined, right? My shoulders wouldn't be too bad if I were like 10 or 15 centimetres taller, but at my height, it's a little more of a problem.

However, there are good news! My sister called me this week and she said she was -sure- her shoulders were wider than mine... which means that either she has enormous shoulders, either I did the measurement wrong, either she's mistaken. I hope it's the second one.

I'm going to see her this week-end. And we said we would buy me my first girls' clothes. with her trying to make me somewhat pass for the session. Cool, eh? I'll be able to try them on first-hand, too.

I'm excited and scared. Though I'll have to restrict myself... I can't be full time yet, so I need to renew my male wardrobe as well. And since those will pretty much only be worn at home, and probably not for long once my body changes and clothes fit differently... So not too much. :<

Nope you are actually not quite right about assuming it's for all heights combined. The data is divided into percentiles.

I think you said your shoulders are 17.3 inches across and that you are 165cm tall. On that marines data thing for female marines the 60th perecentile for height is 164.5cm and the 60th perecentile for shoulder breadth is 17.25cm. To me that means you are taller than 60 percent of female marines, and that your shoulder breadth is bigger than 60 percent of female marines. Since both are 60th percentile - 164.5cm height and 17.25cm shoulder breadth should pretty much correspond I would think - so again, I don't think you are as broad as you think you are.  Being in the bottom 60percent of all females for those dimensions is really, really lucky I think.

Ah, is that so? Then my sister might be right. And Asians must just be too small for my hopes. Thank you.

But ehm, those measurements are clothing measurements, right? If they're wall measurements, I might be screwed.

Quote from: r22b2 on June 15, 2012, 01:26:10 PM
Nope you are actually not quite right about assuming it's for all heights combined. The data is divided into percentiles.

I think you said your shoulders are 17.3 inches across and that you are 165cm tall. On that marines data thing for female marines the 60th perecentile for height is 164.5cm and the 60th perecentile for shoulder breadth is 17.25cm. To me that means you are taller than 60 percent of female marines, and that your shoulder breadth is bigger than 60 percent of female marines. Since both are 60th percentile - 164.5cm height and 17.25cm shoulder breadth should pretty much correspond I would think - so again, I don't think you are as broad as you think you are.  Being in the bottom 60percent of all females for those dimensions is really, really lucky I think.

Unfortunately you were looking at bideltoid breadth which is going to be wider than a shoulder measurement. The closest measurement in terms of those ones is probably somewhere between interscye 2 (little too small) and bideltoid breadth (little too large).

My interscye 2 was just about average (14.8" ) and my actual shoulder measurement is 16". If you go inbetween the average interscye 2 (14.8 ) and bideltoid breadth (17.05) you get 15.94 in. So.. pretty close.

So I'm gonna stick with saying 16"/40.5cm is average or only slightly above average shoulder width. If you go by that method, 17.3" is somewhere between the 90-95th percentile soo... ~1 in 15 women.

It's not perfect but it's also far from monstrous (keep in mind the difference between that and average is only like an inch, and with clothing you can expect to give or take about an inch from the norm on almost every measurement anyway).

....um, yeah, so, reading too much into it. 

As for other places to shop, well that depends on your style? What you like? Online shopping is really spread out.

Um, you could try Uniqlo if you like Asian + ~conservative. They're a Japanese company IIRC but they have a presence in most continents (so probably less of the weird shipping issues people sometimes complain about w/ yesstyle). And imo their selection is more on the modest side. 

Well honestly in general if you're experimenting and sticking to a low price range any big-name north american retailers or labels are going to have online shopping so, there's that too.

Hmm, tomorrow I'm going to see my sister and we'll shop together, as I said. Kowai, kowai. We'll also be able to confirm my shoulder width.

Anyway, for online shopping... Uniqlo "does not offer e-commerce at this time", so no luck either. As for what I like, hmm, well, I can show you the items I have saved in my bookmarks.

* http://www.yesstyle.com/en/pg-beauty-plaid-messenger-bag-off-white-one-size/info.html/pid.1023105502
http://www.yesstyle.com/en/tokyofashion-cropped-pants-khaki-l/info.html/pid.1024744644
* http://www.yesstyle.com/en/tokyofashion-capri-pants-beige-l/info.html/pid.1024093378
http://www.yesstyle.com/en/tokyofashion-capri-pants-with-lace-sash-gray-l/info.html/pid.1024573130
http://www.yesstyle.com/en/f-dna-inset-double-neck-long-sleeve-top-deep-purple-one-size/info.html/pid.1025162271
http://www.yesstyle.com/en/maymaylu-dreams-inset-striped-hooded-cotton-top-mauve-one-size/info.html/pid.1025627782
http://www.yesstyle.com/en/maymaylu-dreams-inset-halter-neck-long-sleeve-cotton-top-green-one/info.html/pid.1025627742
http://www.yesstyle.com/en/f-dna-inset-plaid-shirt-short-sleeve-top-pink-one-size/info.html/pid.1030432532
http://www.yesstyle.com/en/f-dna-inset-striped-top-drape-front-tee-blue-one-size/info.html/pid.1030463119
* http://www.yesstyle.com/en/efashion-inset-striped-t-shirt-drape-front-top-pink-one-size/info.html/pid.1030743623

* = favourite.

I guess I'd say I sort of like things in that kind of "casual but sort of classy" style. I think I'd also like, you know, very "normal" clothes, too. Jeans, hoodie, t-shirt. But those would be too close to what I currently wear in guy mode and that's not quite the goal.

Heh, I guess the general rule for me is going to be "prude, shy and childish". Or something like that.

That's nice. You'll find new things to add to your style as time goes on and you shop more, or check fashion blogs or whatever. You have to wear what you feel comfortable with, then take it from there. Wait until you really get hooked with shopping, you won't be able to stop. I MEAN it.

Well, yeah, they're nice... But if you take a look at the measurements, it's a bit wrong for me. That's why I'm looking for something else...