I think the OP just made an honest mistake. I think the purpose he intended was to show that T works to make you feel better when you're male (and he's including FTM in that) but your body is not making enough of it.

Of course FTMs will pounce on him for comparing himself to one of them ... that's his mistake. It breaks one of the rules, because someone who's not something can not possibly understand what it would be like to be that something they're not, right? Isn't that what a lot of ignorant cis people who don't understand trans accuse trans people of (ex: "you can't possibly understand what it's like to be a man because you weren't born with a penis!")?

I'd just let this one slide and not turn it into a federal case.

Quote from: insideontheoutside on June 14, 2012, 04:46:18 PM
I think the OP just made an honest mistake. I think the purpose he intended was to show that T works to make you feel better when you're male (and he's including FTM in that) but your body is not making enough of it.

Of course FTMs will pounce on him for comparing himself to one of them ... that's his mistake. It breaks one of the rules, because someone who's not something can not possibly understand what it would be like to be that something they're not, right? Isn't that what a lot of ignorant cis people who don't understand trans accuse trans people of (ex: "you can't possibly understand what it's like to be a man because you weren't born with a penis!")?

I'd just let this one slide and not turn it into a federal case.

I agree that it was likely an honest mistake.  But comparing a cis guy with low T to a trans man...it's just not truly comparable.  Guys who were AMAB do not usually have the legal and social issues that trans men do.  Guys with low T are generally seen as men whereas pre-T trans men are often viewed as female even when presenting as male.  Yes, T can do great things, but men with low T are not transitioning.  Low physical performance is completely different than being perceived as female.  Some might consider cis men with low testosterone to be effeminate or weak, but it's not the same as being viewed and treated as a girl.

"Ultimus" was trying to be supportive.

It's an admirable trait for someone posting at a "support" site.

I think he was just trying to relate the best a cismale could. I know there was a cisfemale asking about hair removal techniques because she had such a problem with it and I don't mind it all .

Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 06:17:28 PM
I think he was just trying to relate the best a cismale could. I know there was a cisfemale asking about hair removal techniques because she had such a problem with it and I don't mind it all .

It would be more like a cis female coming in and saying how she used to have light facial hair which was really horrible then got laser and now her milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.

Telling and asking are two different things.

milkshake brings all the boys to the yard--LMAO! Thank you for that 

but yeah I can see how it would be offensive to have these two situations compared as if they were the same.

Quote from: Jamie D on June 14, 2012, 06:11:30 PM
"Ultimus" was trying to be supportive.

It's an admirable trait for someone posting at a "support" site.

I know this is a support site, but given the user's history with posts and how they have treated users in the past, I think it's more than just that some people are slightly skeptical of and or offended by the OP. I'm not saying they don't mean well in this particular situation, but still. Also for a while, this user did not present with the status of a cismale, so I'm also slightly baffled what to make of their post anyway.

Quote from: JasonRX on June 14, 2012, 06:59:11 PM
I know this is a support site, but given the user's history with posts and how they have treated users in the past, I think it's more than just that some people are slightly skeptical of and or offended by the OP. I'm not saying they don't mean well in this particular situation, but still. Also for a while, this user did not present with the status of a cismale, so I'm also slightly baffled what to make of their post anyway.

I have not seen any reports made to the moderators (via the button).  There is little to be gained talking about the status of the OP, as compared to the content of the post.

I'm locking this topic it is not serving anything useful IMO.

There are too many contradictions and none helpful comments.

Cindy James
Global Moderator.