Quote from: Violet Bloom on June 22, 2012, 08:20:32 PM
I stopped caring a long time ago what anyone else had to say about me.  I will do what it takes to be ME.

Feelin' you there hon   

I feel that I can usually tell... there is just a "thing" to a trans face that generally makes it look slightly different than a cis face. Probably just a bone structure issue. But like, for example, when cis girl SOs post here and their avatar is a pic of themselves I can almost immediately tell that they are not trans.

Quote from: pretty on June 22, 2012, 09:20:25 PM
I feel that I can usually tell... there is just a "thing" to a trans face that generally makes it look slightly different than a cis face. Probably just a bone structure issue. But like, for example, when cis girl SOs post here and their avatar is a pic of themselves I can almost immediately tell that they are not trans.

Feel the same way, although I've had people on fb ask me if I'm ftm based on my face so who the he'll knows what's happening? Lmao.

I certainly wouldn't walk up to them to tell them they don't pass but even if I met quite a few trans people I never met one that was almost* flawlessly passable. Meaning every trans I met either looked blatantly trans( to me) or were cis looking so I just didn't clock them. I agree though we can more easily clock each other than cis people. Sometimes it's demeanor, sometimes it's bone structure or voice but I have yet to see a trans woman "blend" better than me honestly because those that do are unclockable. I've been extremely lucky in the bone structure department though so I don't care in the least how pretentious you think that sounds it's not like I played any role in my physiological predisposition.

Quote from: Seyranna on June 22, 2012, 09:34:57 PM
I certainly wouldn't walk up to them to tell them they don't pass but even if I met quite a few trans people I never met one that was almost* flawlessly passable. Meaning every trans I met either looked blatantly trans( to me) or were cis looking so I just didn't clock them. I agree though we can more easily clock each other than cis people. Sometimes it's demeanor, sometimes it's bone structure or voice but I have yet to see a trans woman "blend" better than me honestly because those that do are unclockable. I've been extremely lucky in the bone structure department though so I don't care in the least how pretentious you think that sounds it's not like I played any role in my physiological predisposition.

Why would we begrudge you your prettyness? Flaunt it!

Quote from: pretty on June 22, 2012, 09:20:25 PM
I feel that I can usually tell... there is just a "thing" to a trans face that generally makes it look slightly different than a cis face. Probably just a bone structure issue. But like, for example, when cis girl SOs post here and their avatar is a pic of themselves I can almost immediately tell that they are not trans.

Usually you can tell a MTF from a ciswoman by her overall sizes.

(Slightly) taller but also a (much) bigger head, a broader neck, shoulders, chest etc

I have seen several sisters, or I should say I think they were sisters.  I just look at their sense of style and how they look.  Otherwise I give no indication that I noticed them, except for returning the "woman" smile.

I think "they" would be a better word than "it".

weird, comments like that is how I usually clock a transphobe.

 

Quote from: crazy old bat on June 23, 2012, 10:49:13 AM
weird, comments like that is how I usually clock a transphobe.

+1,000,000

"it" and "->-bleeped-<-" are two words I didnt need to see so early in the morning...thanx a lot

You people are so PC. "It" = reference to visual representation of a person vs birth sex. I don't care whether it's a human, dog, fish, head massager etc...

It's harder for me to clock transmen. I've met 3 guys who were trans in the past and if they never told me i couldn't ever guess.

But for transwomen, I've seen about 2 others, and could have telled just from looking at them.

I guess mtfs stick out more.

Quote from: Aeris on June 23, 2012, 12:22:18 PM
It's harder for me to clock transmen. I've met 3 guys who were trans in the past and if they never told me i couldn't ever guess.

But for transwomen, I've seen about 2 others, and could have telled just from looking at them.

I guess mtfs stick out more.

Does seem that way. One reason could be that people scrutinize women more. Neither men nor women usually look too close or long at what appears to be a man at first glance.

Quote from: 8888 on June 23, 2012, 12:07:18 PM
You people are so PC. "It" = reference to visual representation of a person vs birth sex. I don't care whether it's a human, dog, fish, head massager etc...

Sometimes it's not the message, but the way it is delivered that offends.

So you are saying that if hairline <---> eyebrow, eyebrow <---> base of nose, base of nose <---> chin, are all equal then your transdar doesn't go off?

Actually I suspect that most people (even people who don't realize it) think of trans women as a separate species or as a man-made thing.

Beauty as a criteria is much harsher for trans women and requires much more "luck" than trans men... Ever seen a FTM 1/2+ years into HRT not "look" like a man and not "blend" well?! nope... However you look, whatever your body shape, facial hair works wonders but for trans women who got screwed over real bad by the T virus in their youth to be flawlessly passable is exceedingly rare. But it's likely that most, over time can blend very well nonetheless.

Quote from: 8888 on June 23, 2012, 12:07:18 PM
You people are so PC. "It" = reference to visual representation of a person vs birth sex. I don't care whether it's a human, dog, fish, head massager etc...

Oh? I think "it" is the worse thing that you can call someone who's transgendered, and I don't even feel comfortable calling a dog that.

When I was at work I had to host a cocktail party, as one of the officers it's part of my job to host the passengers.  I saw a man and women, and immediately thought that the man was trans.  They didn't seem to be talking to anyone else so I went and talked to them.  I'm almost certain at that point he was trans.  I enjoyed talking to them, but the wife was definitely been very defensive about her husbands masculinity.  I wouldn't dream off saying anything to them, and I thought they where amazingly lovely.  I'm pretty sure no one else had any inclining to their situation and that made me very happy for the both of them.

I am so lost what is clocking?