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Coming Up on Three year Deep Stealth Lesbian Relationship

Started by UCBerkeleyPostop, June 21, 2012, 10:16:02 PM

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Kelly J. P.

 It's tough to choose between what is advantageous for oneself, and what is advantageous for others at the expense of oneself.

If I were you, I would not tell my wife about that aspect of my past. After all, it can do little but harm for the relationship, and ultimately, it doesn't matter.
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UCBerkeleyPostop

I have been away on other projects and thank everyone for their feedback. (Surprised to see Stanley Milgram appearing on the thread :angel: )

I have only skimmed the responses but already I feel better.
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Rising_Angel

*puts on her flak vest, military style helmet and wades into the thick of it like Babydoll from Sucker Punch*

Okay, heated emotions and raised passions aside, it comes down to thinking of it a different way and I think both sides will see each other's point by doing one simple thing;

Change the topic, but not the idea.

Imagine instead of the transition issue boil it down; we were born with a condition that surgery was needed to take care of, like a tonsillectomy.  I had one, I'm sure some of you have had one.  I can't even remember who I've told I had my tonsils out to ... it's not something that comes up much, but when it does, it's not a big deal to me ... if I want chime in I will, if I don't I won't.

As far as I am concerned, why is this any different?  The only reason it's a big deal is because we *make it* a big deal.  To me, a part of my body that was intended to serve a function that assisted me, developed into something that was causing me harm - just like a tonsil when it goes all nasty.  As such, I treated that problem so I could regain my health.  I know some of you are thinking "but people have died because someone found out."  That's true, but people have died from tonsillectomies too.  People have been killed for cheating, and for wearing fur coats, and for life insurance policies.   No one can control anyone else's action, all we can do is control our own.

Ever had a wart?  Ewww icky, it may gross some people out, and they may think differently of you, but as I like to say "that's their hang up, not yours."  If you don't treat it like it's a big deal, and decide to *make it* no big deal, then guess what?  It isn't.  If you are with someone for a long period of time, you will get a good feel for them.  My S/O has a major phobia of bees, can't stand them ... anyone have any idea how often I've swatted them off of the porch and not told her?  Not because I'm dishonest, but instead because she'd never go outside again, lol.

I'm not saying anyone else here is wrong, in fact, all of you have very valid points, but I think back to interracial couples, and remember that it wasn't until people accepted that it wasn't a big deal that it became accepted as a whole.  The same with LGBT issues, someday, it's not going to be a big deal.  It can't *ever* get that way though if *we* make it a big deal.  If we ourselves can't get past it, how can we expect anyone else to?  I hear people talk about comparing it to cheating, or being "open in admitting it."  This makes our procedure a dirty little secret, a shame.

Frankly, the one thing I have learned on my journey is that I'm not ashamed of it, I'm not proud of it, I just am.  It's just me.  It's something that happened one time.  That's all it is.

You lose a bunch of weight and date someone who hates fat people and considers them lazy and useless.  That intolerant opinion would be something I'd be dissatisfied with in my partner, NOT something that I would fear telling them about.  I see this as the same, it's something that afflicted me that I needed to have medical treatment for ... something out of my control that doctors helped me fix, but it's not any more significant that surviving scarlett fever, or chicken pox, or any of a thousand other things that some people get and others don't.  Would you feel obligated to tell someone you suffered cancer when you were in your teens but it went into remission?  Doubtful.  Are you going to let this be worse than cancer?  I refuse.

Any great change in this universe begins with those that are affected.  In order for society to get over it, we have to first.
Insist on yourself, never imitate. ~RW Emerson
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UCBerkeleyPostop

The issue for me is honesty when things come up that female lovers routinely talk about, I am forced to lie.  She keeps asking me about all my other prior girlfriends and how the relationships and did you/she do this or do that but the dynamic is that they (most of them) were not lesbian relationships.
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Constance

Personally, I would disclose at the outset. But, my situation is different.

I was married for 23 years and my ex is still a friend of mine. We have 2 adult children who call me "Dad." Personally, I like being a woman who is called "Dad."

My past is a part of who and what I am. I don't see how I could try to be stealth at this point, but I also don't feel I need to be.

That's my $0.02.

RosieD

Blimey Mixie, that was nicely done.

Speaking as an absolute greenhorn newbie this thread has been an education. I can absolutely see the validity of both sides of the discussion and appreciate the sentiments expressed. And I especially like that there's no 'correct' answer.

Love,

Rosie
Well that was fun! What's next?
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opheliaxen

I always disclose.  It weeds out the stupid people.  I don't want to be with someone for whom it was an issue.
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UCBerkeleyPostop

Quote from: opheliaxen on June 26, 2012, 09:06:37 PM
I always disclose.  It weeds out the stupid people.  I don't want to be with someone for whom it was an issue.

Here is the problem with that. If you out yourself to someone you just begin dating, you have outed yourself to everyone in that social realm.
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Julie Wilson

Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on June 26, 2012, 02:29:24 PM
The issue for me is honesty when things come up that female lovers routinely talk about, I am forced to lie.  She keeps asking me about all my other prior girlfriends and how the relationships and did you/she do this or do that but the dynamic is that they (most of them) were not lesbian relationships.


Asking about your prior girlfriends is very unhealthy and a boundary violation.  It would be wrong to do in any relationship whether hetero or gay, trans or cis.  It is an indicator of low self esteem and insecurity.

O_o ...

You don't have to lie, you just need to maintain healthy boundaries.
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UCBerkeleyPostop

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opheliaxen

Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on June 26, 2012, 10:57:26 PM
Here is the problem with that. If you out yourself to someone you just begin dating, you have outed yourself to everyone in that social realm.

And I care about that why?  I don't care who knows what I just don't want to waste my time with bigots
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annette

I transitioned 30 years ago, quite a different more intolerable time.
Anyway, I managed and In those years I had several relationships, (one way or another I can't find the right one) but I was always honest about my unique past.

It's a way to protect yourself and the otherone from lovesuffering, better early than late.
My way was after I told...take it or leave it.
Just recently i met another girl, she liked me and after a night of dinner with candlelight and a visit to the Irish pup we went to her home.
After we talked and we seems to know eachother a little better, she started kissing me.

I told her to wait for a while because I had something important to say.
After I told my past, she said, I kissed a woman, I had a lovely woman in my arms, so for me there is no change after you tell me this, I think your still a beatiful woman and I like to know you better.

This reaction is not for the first time, actually, nobody leaved after telling my story.
Why is that?

people don't have a history with you, they only know you in the way you are now.
If she is crazy about you, I don't think there will be something change, because you are the same person.
And one way or another, your unique past is a part of you, there is nothing to hide and nothing to shame about.

Apperently you are gorgeous in her eyes, after telling you are still gorgeous.
And let's face it, starting a relationship with a secret or a lie is not a best start, isn't it?
Go for it girl, the true will set you free.
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Stealthy

I wouldn't tell her.

There are plenty of trans people in long-term relationships who don't disclose. I know of a trans woman who married twice and didn't disclose at all during either relationship.

There's no reason to disclose unless you really want to.
Pronouns: shi/hir

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lilacwoman

Quote from: Noey Noonesson on June 27, 2012, 05:54:23 AM

Asking about your prior girlfriends is very unhealthy and a boundary violation.  It would be wrong to do in any relationship whether hetero or gay, trans or cis.  It is an indicator of low self esteem and insecurity.


That's nonsense.   
Everyone discusses previous partners, however for UCBP the problem is either denying any previous relationships or inventing relationships with the potential for being tripped up over details.

How to get over the problem of documents is a matter for if and when it has to be done.
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Julie Wilson

Quote from: lilacwoman on July 02, 2012, 01:03:19 AM
That's nonsense.   
Everyone discusses previous partners, however for UCBP the problem is either denying any previous relationships or inventing relationships with the potential for being tripped up over details.

How to get over the problem of documents is a matter for if and when it has to be done.


Love your sensible judgment and scientific method.  Go you.
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