My tolerance for stupid people is diminishing rapidly i think. I walked out of the shop a few  days ago and was taunted by a guy as being a fat ugly ->-bleeped-<- freak and then he snapped my bra strap i was like WTF!!!

I turned around and said to him its ok dear you continue to abuse strangers whom you don't even know and the world will be a better place for it...

then i dropped him and said DON'T you EVER snap a woman's bra strap when you don't know her!!! and walked off i even got some "good on you" comments from bystanders.

I don't condone violence but sometimes it's all that works. And when it is a choice between depression and being suicidal or taking some power back from these jerks i know what i am choosing from now on

there are two types of people.  Idiots and manics.  Especially while driving.

Some guys think that is flirting.  It is more likely to get them a punch in the nose or a slap to the face.

Quote from: Majik on July 06, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
I walked out of the shop a few  days ago and was taunted by a guy as being a fat ugly ->-bleeped-<- freak and then he snapped my bra strap i was like WTF!!!

Don't know what country you live in, so I can't say for sure, but in just about all parts of the US, what you just described is assault, and that person would be arrested.

Consider reporting this as a crime.

Quote from: Majik on July 06, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
I don't condone violence but sometimes it's all that works. And when it is a choice between depression and being suicidal or taking some power back from these jerks i know what i am choosing from now on

I understand why you felt you had to do what you did hon, but violence isn't power. It just lowers you to their level.

I would have just looked him straight in the eyes and said "Make the most of that, with your level of hatred and repressed anger, it's the closest you're probably ever going to get to a woman's bra." Before smiling and walking away. However I can be a venomous b*tch in some situations, and I wouldn't recommend doing that either.

If you give someone the reaction they're expecting, then you give them the power over you. Even if that reaction is a punch that knocks them to the floor. It's allowing your buttons to be pushed. People lose their power when the things they do have no effect. Then they just make a fool of themselves.

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I am an ex-police officer....that action was physical assault and you could of had him arrested....


Someone cannot lay a hand on you.....


Huggs

Dee Jay

Quote from: Sephirah on July 06, 2012, 07:36:25 PM
I understand why you felt you had to do what you did hon, but violence isn't power. It just lowers you to their level.

I would have just looked him straight in the eyes and said "Make the most of that, with your level of hatred and repressed anger, it's the closest you're probably ever going to get to a woman's bra." Before smiling and walking away. However I can be a venomous b*tch in some situations, and I wouldn't recommend doing that either.

If you give someone the reaction they're expecting, then you give them the power over you. Even if that reaction is a punch that knocks them to the floor. It's allowing your buttons to be pushed. People lose their power when the things they do have no effect. Then they just make a fool of themselves.

Sometimes...you just have to put a mad dog down.

I think that guy would need his I.Q. raised about 10 points to get to merely stupid.  Funny thing is I suspect, from fact that he touched your bra, he may been attracted to you in some way; but the only way that his little mind could deal with this was to have him act as he did.

Violence or getting down to the level of these Neanderthals may well be intellectually regrettable; but violence, anyway, can work rather well--in sending a message that they'll understand and giving one some satisfaction.  A gut emotional reaction isn't always wrong; and intellectualizing an event isn't always correct--or effective.

Majik,the fact that this guy put his hand on you shows his boorishness.

Quote from: agfrommd on July 06, 2012, 07:35:12 PM
Don't know what country you live in, so I can't say for sure, but in just about all parts of the US, what you just described is assault, and that person would be arrested.

I agree. The guy sounded like a total tosser.
You have to do what you have to do, and he was very much out of line. I think you did the right thing, Majik - defended yourself. He sounds like the sort of idiot who would have tried to persist to taunt and harass you if no one had done anything.

Quote from: Sephirah on July 06, 2012, 07:36:25 PM
I understand why you felt you had to do what you did hon, but violence isn't power. It just lowers you to their level.

I would have just looked him straight in the eyes and said "Make the most of that, with your level of hatred and repressed anger, it's the closest you're probably ever going to get to a woman's bra." Before smiling and walking away. However I can be a venomous b*tch in some situations, and I wouldn't recommend doing that either.

If you give someone the reaction they're expecting, then you give them the power over you. Even if that reaction is a punch that knocks them to the floor. It's allowing your buttons to be pushed. People lose their power when the things they do have no effect. Then they just make a fool of themselves.

Ah school yard logic "just walk away" "go and tell the teacher" "I don't care who started it"

Works SO well in the school yard too...

If you're attacked you defend yourself.

Quote from: Asfsd4214 on July 06, 2012, 11:39:58 PM
Ah school yard logic "just walk away" "go and tell the teacher" "I don't care who started it"

Works SO well in the school yard too...

If you're attacked you defend yourself.

And then you end up in jail like cece Mcdonald.  You have to be smart out there.

No, key words:

*IF* you're attacked, *THEN* you defend yourself.

In the US, they allow this...and the fact the aggressor indicated he did it because he thought Majik was a "->-bleeped-<- freak" makes it aggravated assault (i.e., a "hate crime").

Majik was entirely in the right.

The original post presents an interesting hypothetical.

I think was all agree that the action of the "guy" was a form of assault - both verbal and physical.

I think we would all agree that "self defense" is a fundamental human right.

But I believe the reaction should be proportional to the provocation.

Suppose the OP was armed with a legal, concealed hangun.  Would she have been justified in wounding her assailant, or shooting him dead?

Or suppose the OP was a martial arts expert.  Would a deadly blow to the solar plexus be justified?  Or perhaps dislocating the assailant's arm, or breaking a bone?

What about using sufficient force to make a citizen's arrest?

Or enough force to immediately stop the assault?

Something to ponder.

Too bad the incident wasn't caught on camera and posted to YouTube.

Quote from: Jamie D on July 07, 2012, 01:44:20 AM
The original post presents an interesting hypothetical.

I think was all agree that the action of the "guy" was a form of assault - both verbal and physical.

I think we would all agree that "self defense" is a fundamental human right.

But I believe the reaction should be proportional to the provocation.

Suppose the OP was armed with a legal, concealed hangun.  Would she have been justified in wounding her assailant, or shooting him dead?

Or suppose the OP was a martial arts expert.  Would a deadly blow to the solar plexus be justified?  Or perhaps dislocating the assailant's arm, or breaking a bone?

What about using sufficient force to make a citizen's arrest?

Or enough force to immediately stop the assault?

Something to ponder.

Too bad the incident wasn't caught on camera and posted to YouTube.

That's the key phrase. "Enough force to stop the attack." If the force needed is a punch to the face, that's it. If the bra-snapper continued, then potentially a more violent (or even lethal) response would be warranted.

One thing the law looks at is "disparity of strength." A 90yo woman would be allowed to use a gun against a 200lbs young man...But a 200lbs young man would not be allowed to use it against a 14yo boy who tries to rob him bare-handed.

In this case, a punch to the face stopped it. But, what if it hadn't? What if the guy suddenly pulled a knife on her? Or a gun? Or doubled up his fists, and aggressively moved towards her?

Lot of "what-ifs" there. But, as long as the response is proportional to the threat, the law won't be a problem (unless one lives in an ultra-liberal place that says it's better to die rather than fight)

Quote from: Beth Andrea on July 07, 2012, 01:17:10 AM
No, key words:

*IF* you're attacked, *THEN* you defend yourself.

In the US, they allow this...and the fact the aggressor indicated he did it because he thought Majik was a "->-bleeped-<- freak" makes it aggravated assault (i.e., a "hate crime").

Majik was entirely in the right.

Google cece mcdonald.  She was attacked by a skinhead and his gf and ended up killing the skinhead to save her life.  Shes about to go to a male prison in Minnesota because of it.  If you can avoid violence you should.  Most situations can he diffused with an incredulous eye roll.

Plus I don't know about you but after years of hrt most Guys and girls could probably kick my ass

I personally don't have a problem with what you did and I think everyone has a right to defend themselves but you're lucky he backed down and didn't take the attack to the next level.  A punch to the face may send the guy into a violent rage.  Just something to consider. 

considering the physical offense against your person, a truly appropriate response would have been an  atomic wedgie.

majik I wanted to high five you for dropping the creep but your action was not prudent. You could have been arrested for assault and, assuming you are pre-op, that is something you desperately want to avoid at any cost.

Quote from: Jamie D on July 07, 2012, 01:44:20 AM
The original post presents an interesting hypothetical.

I think was all agree that the action of the "guy" was a form of assault - both verbal and physical.

I think we would all agree that "self defense" is a fundamental human right.

But I believe the reaction should be proportional to the provocation.

Suppose the OP was armed with a legal, concealed hangun.  Would she have been justified in wounding her assailant, or shooting him dead?

Or suppose the OP was a martial arts expert.  Would a deadly blow to the solar plexus be justified?  Or perhaps dislocating the assailant's arm, or breaking a bone?

What about using sufficient force to make a citizen's arrest?

Or enough force to immediately stop the assault?

Something to ponder.

Too bad the incident wasn't caught on camera and posted to YouTube.

I would have simply cast a juju spell on him to make him stop.

Tbh, if I had a gun, I would've showed it. Guns are the great equalizer after all. I don't care how built you are, a bullet will take you down.